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 Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:30 pm
I only feel bad for you in that a bad thing happened. I feel happy for you that it's become something that you can view in a positive light, though, so...I suppose I feel as bad for you as I feel for people who get cancer sweatdrop I can't honsetly say I don't feel bad for you, sorry. I could try not to, though, lol.
@Joy-ish: I don't think that personal religion is a good basis for law affecting people outside of your religion, though. That's just forcing your religion on other people. There has to be something other than, "God says so," in order to question its legality, because not everyone under that law believes in your God.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:41 pm
lymelady I only feel bad for you in that a bad thing happened. I feel happy for you that it's become something that you can view in a positive light, though, so...I suppose I feel as bad for you as I feel for people who get cancer sweatdrop I can't honsetly say I don't feel bad for you, sorry. I could try not to, though, lol. @Joy-ish: I don't think that personal religion is a good basis for law affecting people outside of your religion, though. That's just forcing your religion on other people. There has to be something other than, "God says so," in order to question its legality, because not everyone under that law believes in your God. I know it's a kind of unavoidable feeling you get, that kind of, " Gosh, I"m so glad I'm not you.. and since I'd hate to be in your shoes, you must hate it too." thing..I'm cool with that. Buit when people actually say it, and I don't even know them.. it makes me feel scummy.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:47 pm
I know what you mean, I've got a tad bit of trouble with lyme disease and it's not really so bad and I don't think of it as anything bad, but when people ask why I have to miss school or get a tube put in me or something and I tell them they get all, "I'm so sorry for you!" I'm not. Life gives you lemons. I'll just add water, scrounge up some sugar, and voila, lemonade. It's not nearly the same, I know, but I get the same feeling of, I don't want people feeling bad for me. I never know what to say. It's like, do I say, Thanks, or, It's okay, or what? So usually I just mumble something that sounds like both and scurry away. Which is rude, I know, but I still have no idea what to say to people who say that. And when I say life could be worse and I'm happy, which I am now, after a lot of working through and adapting, people think I'm in denial or trying to put a brave face on. But I really am happy. Sorry, I have a tendancy to be long and drawn out, words are not my friends, but I think I know how you feel. Sorta.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:57 pm
Psalm_89 lymelady Psalm_89 I've just recently (about a month ago) become christian.. Actually, I don't know why I was pro-life, I just was.. I'm 15, and 6 months pregnant with triplets. My friends told me to get an abortion, but I just thought, " I was stupid enough to get myself in to this whole mess, so I'll live out the consequences." That is extremely brave of you. Just had to say that, sorry if it bugs you redface Nah, it's all cool... I get tired of people saing" Oh, I feel so bad for you." That bothers me. I don't feel bad for me (Well, I did for a while.. at first I felt like it wasn't my fault.. it was date rape. Then again, I knew the guy didn't really love me.) so I don't want others to, ya know? To be honest, my initial reaction to you saying you were having triplets was excitement. Blame it on how I was raised. My family...even my extended family (especially on my mom's side) is like...baby crazy. My fam is big to begin with and every time there is a new addition on the way, it generates a lot of excitement and positive energy. My sister wants to have a huge family and I can tell my mom is anxious to be a grandmother. Then I read about your age and the circumstances...and I started to feel a little guilty for getting so excited. I felt like I was being insensitive. But I'm glad that your outlook is more positive then others. I hope you have good people supporting you...it sounds like you do. And I hope you are proud of yourself for what you are doing. You certainly have my admiration anyway. I hope you and those kids stay healthy. smile
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:24 pm
lymelady I know what you mean, I've got a tad bit of trouble with lyme disease and it's not really so bad and I don't think of it as anything bad, but when people ask why I have to miss school or get a tube put in me or something and I tell them they get all, "I'm so sorry for you!" I'm not. Life gives you lemons. I'll just add water, scrounge up some sugar, and voila, lemonade. It's not nearly the same, I know, but I get the same feeling of, I don't want people feeling bad for me. I never know what to say. It's like, do I say, Thanks, or, It's okay, or what? So usually I just mumble something that sounds like both and scurry away. Which is rude, I know, but I still have no idea what to say to people who say that. And when I say life could be worse and I'm happy, which I am now, after a lot of working through and adapting, people think I'm in denial or trying to put a brave face on. But I really am happy. Sorry, I have a tendancy to be long and drawn out, words are not my friends, but I think I know how you feel. Sorta. I'm a little different - I'm a little trouble-maker.. When life gives me lemons, I throw them at old people... Anywho, I know watcha mean. It's like, " I've gotten over it, why can't you?".. They're not even the ones with the problem. P.S. I feel bad dor you. domokun
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:34 pm
Throwing lemons at people is fun. It's more effective than waterballoons...Canada should consider changing their artillery. xd
Many good things've come of it anyway. Like catching it in my mom and now she'll probably live longer. We'd have put it down to post polio and she'd have died of it. Now we knew what to test for and well, she's looking at a longer life, God-willing. And I joined Gaia. AND I get to be in the senior yearboook twice. No one else ever has been in my school. Ooooh, and I've gotten to travel up and down the coasts to get to different specialists. I don't think of it as bad luck but good luck by now.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:50 pm
Well, aren't you just Oh so special. Lucky.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:57 pm
That's what I think too. Life is....wonderful. Gah, hate to brag, didn't mean it to come out like that. I just got handed a good plate and intend to make the most of it.
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:55 am
Cyanna Psalm_89 lymelady Psalm_89 I've just recently (about a month ago) become christian.. Actually, I don't know why I was pro-life, I just was.. I'm 15, and 6 months pregnant with triplets. My friends told me to get an abortion, but I just thought, " I was stupid enough to get myself in to this whole mess, so I'll live out the consequences." That is extremely brave of you. Just had to say that, sorry if it bugs you redface Nah, it's all cool... I get tired of people saing" Oh, I feel so bad for you." That bothers me. I don't feel bad for me (Well, I did for a while.. at first I felt like it wasn't my fault.. it was date rape. Then again, I knew the guy didn't really love me.) so I don't want others to, ya know? To be honest, my initial reaction to you saying you were having triplets was excitement. Blame it on how I was raised. My family...even my extended family (especially on my mom's side) is like...baby crazy. My fam is big to begin with and every time there is a new addition on the way, it generates a lot of excitement and positive energy. My sister wants to have a huge family and I can tell my mom is anxious to be a grandmother. Then I read about your age and the circumstances...and I started to feel a little guilty for getting so excited. I felt like I was being insensitive. But I'm glad that your outlook is more positive then others. I hope you have good people supporting you...it sounds like you do. And I hope you are proud of yourself for what you are doing. You certainly have my admiration anyway. I hope you and those kids stay healthy. smile *Sniffle* Thanks.. You weren't being insensitive, I'm excited too (well sort of..).
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:19 am
lymelady @Joy-ish: I don't think that personal religion is a good basis for law affecting people outside of your religion, though. That's just forcing your religion on other people. There has to be something other than, "God says so," in order to question its legality, because not everyone under that law believes in your God. Did you even read what I was saying? Because I don't know what you are refering to when you say "your religion" nor who you are refering to when you say "your God".
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:10 am
Joy-ish Being a pro-choicer, I do respect people who are honest and say "Abortion is against my religious values". To me, that argument is valid and enough. It is your faith, and it should be respected. You don't need to come up with arguments like the sea turtle argument (explained in another thread here), which is based on false analogies. I respect the choice of not having an abortion, which is the choice I would make too. I also respect those who try to convince the people around them not to abort. But I do not believe in legally punishing women who do abort. Yes. I did. But the topic is about people using religion as their main argument for wanting abortion to be illegal. I disagree with that method because of the reasons I outlined. You said you don't believe in legally punishing women who abort, but you didn't say that you feel people shouldn't use religion to argue their stance to make abortion illegal. You said it is a valid point to you. It is not a valid point legally, though. Thus, the Quote: @Joy-ish: I don't think that personal religion is a good basis for law affecting people outside of your religion, though. That's just forcing your religion on other people. There has to be something other than, "God says so," in order to question its legality, because not everyone under that law believes in your God.
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:09 pm
Lymelady, sorry for the missunderstanding.
When I said "That argument is valid and enough" I meant that was a valid argument when discussing a personal decision, not what should be legal or not.
I agree that religion as a basis for law is a bad idea every time it comes in conflict with the values of people who belong to a different religion or are nonreligious. I also disagree with "that must be illegal because god says so", but I do respect "I don't do that because it is against my religious values" or "my religion leads me to believe that is wrong".
True. I did not say that people should not use religion to argue that abortion should be made (or should remain) illegal. But I thought I had implied it. When I said it was a valid point, I did not mean it was legally valid.
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:27 pm
Joy-ish Lymelady, sorry for the missunderstanding. When I said "That argument is valid and enough" I meant that was a valid argument when discussing a personal decision, not what should be legal or not. I agree that religion as a basis for law is a bad idea every time it comes in conflict with the values of people who belong to a different religion or are nonreligious. I also disagree with "that must be illegal because god says so", but I do respect "I don't do that because it is against my religious values" or "my religion leads me to believe that is wrong". True. I did not say that people should not use religion to argue that abortion should be made (or should remain) illegal. But I thought I had implied it. When I said it was a valid point, I did not mean it was legally valid. I'm sorry, I misunderstood. sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:24 am
lymelady Throwing lemons at people is fun. It's more effective than waterballoons...Canada should consider changing their artillery. xd
Besides crappy weapons means less of us going to war! XD
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