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 Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:21 am
lymelady He posted it clearly enough so that I could tell what it was saying. If you think Andy wants women to die rather than have abortion available, you don't know him at all. I don't know what sort of person you think he is, but he's not in favor of people dying because they were denied the right to choose to live. That is why he is in this guild. That is why almost everyone in this guild is here. It is not about the "cewt whiddle bebee" being born. It is about preserving life, and caring for life at its earliest stages. And thats where it becomes short sighted with most pro-choicers on here. We only think of the human being inside the mother and not the mother, and this is hwere it gets misconstrued as oh we don't care about the homeless, etc. because all we care about is that one human being inside the woman... because obviously, no other human life matters to us.
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:14 am
Master Kaiser And thats where it becomes short sighted with most pro-choicers on here. We only think of the human being inside the mother and not the mother, and this is hwere it gets misconstrued as oh we don't care about the homeless, etc. because all we care about is that one human being inside the woman... because obviously, no other human life matters to us. Just like animal rights activists ONLY care about non-human animals. 3nodding Oh s**t, if I'm a pro-life animal rights activist, does this mean I only care about non-human fetuses?
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:00 pm
La Veuve Zin Master Kaiser And thats where it becomes short sighted with most pro-choicers on here. We only think of the human being inside the mother and not the mother, and this is hwere it gets misconstrued as oh we don't care about the homeless, etc. because all we care about is that one human being inside the woman... because obviously, no other human life matters to us. Just like animal rights activists ONLY care about non-human animals. 3nodding Oh s**t, if I'm a pro-life animal rights activist, does this mean I only care about non-human fetuses? OMG YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT WOMAN AT ALL! scream See what I made there, a pro-choice connection.
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:22 pm
Master Kaiser lymelady He posted it clearly enough so that I could tell what it was saying. If you think Andy wants women to die rather than have abortion available, you don't know him at all. I don't know what sort of person you think he is, but he's not in favor of people dying because they were denied the right to choose to live. That is why he is in this guild. That is why almost everyone in this guild is here. It is not about the "cewt whiddle bebee" being born. It is about preserving life, and caring for life at its earliest stages. And thats where it becomes short sighted with most pro-choicers on here. We only think of the human being inside the mother and not the mother, and this is hwere it gets misconstrued as oh we don't care about the homeless, etc. because all we care about is that one human being inside the woman... because obviously, no other human life matters to us. No, I don't know Andy at all. I don't have much thoughts as to what kind of person he is. I was just going on what I read; it wasn't clear what he meant. I can see why pro-choicers come to that conclusion. I've seen plenty of pro-choicers present what they think are valid arguments for abortion (well I have to agree with medical reasons) only to have some pro-lifer jump up and say 'That doesn't matter! The baby's life is what matters!' stare To tell the truth, I've had enough of that kind of thing sometimes, when I mention medical reasons and rape victims.
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:58 pm
I have never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever met a Pro-Lifer who actually believed that abortion should be straight outlawed in absolutely every instance, even if it were a situation where both would die. That is just plain retarded. Sorry if I'm a little insulted that you think I'm a retard, and didn't think to go over what you read twice since it must've seemed like a retarded thing to say. confused
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:42 am
Scribblemouse Master Kaiser lymelady He posted it clearly enough so that I could tell what it was saying. If you think Andy wants women to die rather than have abortion available, you don't know him at all. I don't know what sort of person you think he is, but he's not in favor of people dying because they were denied the right to choose to live. That is why he is in this guild. That is why almost everyone in this guild is here. It is not about the "cewt whiddle bebee" being born. It is about preserving life, and caring for life at its earliest stages. And thats where it becomes short sighted with most pro-choicers on here. We only think of the human being inside the mother and not the mother, and this is hwere it gets misconstrued as oh we don't care about the homeless, etc. because all we care about is that one human being inside the woman... because obviously, no other human life matters to us. No, I don't know Andy at all. I don't have much thoughts as to what kind of person he is. I was just going on what I read; it wasn't clear what he meant. I can see why pro-choicers come to that conclusion. I've seen plenty of pro-choicers present what they think are valid arguments for abortion (well I have to agree with medical reasons) only to have some pro-lifer jump up and say 'That doesn't matter! The baby's life is what matters!' stare To tell the truth, I've had enough of that kind of thing sometimes, when I mention medical reasons and rape victims. I haven't seen anyone argue with medical reasons. I do argue rape victims though, because some pregnant women who want to abort are in just as bad a situation, if not worse. The only difference is the choice to have sex. I refuse to say I want to punish women for having sex by making them stay pregnant.
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:02 am
I.Am I have never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever met a Pro-Lifer who actually believed that abortion should be straight outlawed in absolutely every instance, even if it were a situation where both would die. That is just plain retarded. Sorry if I'm a little insulted that you think I'm a retard, and didn't think to go over what you read twice since it must've seemed like a retarded thing to say. confused Did I say I thought you were retarded? No. Do I, for that matter, think you're retarded? No. I was just saying that I've came across 'lifers who would argue against abortion for medical reasons. That's all.
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:44 am
Scribble, you failed to read his post through and because of that, you basically accused him of being a misogynist without him giving any reason whatsoever.
Considering how almost every pro-lifer who ever publicly states his or her viewpoints gets labeled that and this is a guild where we're supposed to be safe from accusations of the sort, don't you think it makes sense that he was highly insulted?
We're getting way off track here. This is about abortions in Portugal.
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:31 am
I.Am Yes, I did use that exact phrasing. Only the first word in the sentence was "Not" making the sentence "Not that abortion should never, ever be done, even if the mother's life were at risk," and totally changing the meaning of the sentence. confused Sorry, I did phrase it someone confusingly, but if you read the whole post, my main point is that I don't feel like an abortion for medical purposes (Life of the mother-like) is really an abortion at all, because the purpose is to save the mother, not kill the child.
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:44 am
Okay let's calm this down before I have to shut down the thread.
Scribbles, the error was on your part please just say sorry and get over that. I read Andy's post and it clearly states and I quote; "If the "abortion" is necessary for medical purposes, then it is not an abortion, in my opinion. Just like it's not murder if you kill someone in self defense."
You mistook what he said for something else and then proceeded to rip on him, so of course he's offended. If you have seperate issues with Andy then take them outside, I don't want s**t started in here.
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:46 pm
Beware the Jabberwock Okay let's calm this down before I have to shut down the thread.
Scribbles, the error was on your part please just say sorry and get over that. I read Andy's post and it clearly states and I quote; "If the "abortion" is necessary for medical purposes, then it is not an abortion, in my opinion. Just like it's not murder if you kill someone in self defense."
You mistook what he said for something else and then proceeded to rip on him, so of course he's offended. If you have seperate issues with Andy then take them outside, I don't want s**t started in here. What are you talking about? I didn't call him a misogynist. I didn't call him anything. I was just mentioning bad responses I've had, in general. I don't have anything against anyone here, let alone Andy; I don't even know him. I don't understand what it is I'm meant to be apologising for.
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