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Kata Samoes

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:52 am


A woman was pulled over for no headlights and a fake temp tag on her car, tried to explain to the officers she was miscarrying and heading the hospital.

They ignored her pleas, even in jail. Video included in the article on the left.


http://www.kctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6019382

KCTV 5
KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- For now, Sofia Salva will let her attorney and the videotape of two police officers ignoring her pleas for medical help speak for her.

Salva, who said she was three months pregnant and bleeding when Kansas City police stopped her for traffic violations last February, believes she wouldn't have had a miscarriage had officers aided her.

A police videotape released Tuesday brought attention to the incident. Salva also has filed a wrongful death and personal injuries lawsuit against the Kansas City Police Department and two officers who arrested her.

"It's tragic, it's disappointing, it's frustrating, it's sickening at times," Salva's attorney, Andrew Protzman, said Wednesday. "This is a lady who was in severe medical distress and clearly needed emergency medical attention and medical treatment."

Kansas City police spokesman Capt. Rich Lockhart said Wednesday that he doesn't know how long the department's internal investigation will take. The two officers remain on duty.

"We want to ensure the community trusts us to get to the bottom of this regardless of the way it reflects on the Police Department," Lockhart said.

Salva, a Sudanese native, was pulled over Feb. 5, 2006, by officers Melody Spencer and Kevin Schnell, who had seen her affix a fake temporary tag on her car's back windshield.

"She told the officers repeatedly over the course of 45 minutes that she was bleeding, she was pregnant, she needed medical attention," Protzman said. "And they ignored her request and refused to listen to her and refused to take care of her."

Salva was taken to jail and kept overnight on traffic violations and outstanding city warrants. The next morning, Salva claims, she was released and delivered a premature baby boy who died a minute after birth.

"If Sofia could have her baby back, she would love to have that," Protzman said. "But the police took that opportunity away from her. She's pursuing the only recourse that's available to her under the law."

The suit, filed Friday in Jackson County Circuit Court, seeks actual damages exceeding $25,000 and punitive damages to punish and deter such conduct in the future.

Protzman said the officers made the wrong assumptions about Salva, who declined interview requests.

No telephone numbers are listed for the two officers, and a representative of their union, the Kansas City Police Officers' Association, did not return a call seeking comment Wednesday. Lockhart said both Spencer and Schnell are declining comment for now.

Spencer has been with the department four years and Schnell less than two years.

The videotape of Salva's police stop was released after The Kansas City Star made an open records request. The tape shows Salva telling the officers numerous times that she was pregnant, bleeding and needing to go to the hospital.

After the ninth request, Spencer responds: "How is that my problem?"

Once she's been told why she's under arrest, Salva tells the officers she is having a miscarriage and is bleeding.

"Do you want to check me?" Salva asks. "I'm bleeding. I have a 3-month baby inside."

The tape shows Schnell walking away from the car and telling his partner: "She just gave me a line of excuses. She said she's bleeding. She said you can check her."

Salva repeats that she's three months pregnant and bleeding.

"OK," Spencer answers. "Why are you driving to the store and then putting a fake temporary tag in your car?"

Salva explains that she was on her way to the hospital.

The officers make Salva sit on the curb as they search her car, purse and grocery sacks. Salva again says she's bleeding, asks the officers to check her underwear and asks to go to the hospital.

"Well," Spencer says, "that will be something you can take care of when we get done with you."

Salva becomes upset after officers take awhile to get her identifying information. "I have a baby in my stomach and I'm bleeding and I open my underwear for you to see," she says.

"Stay seated!" Schnell yells.

"If I die here, will you take care of me?" Salva asks. "If I die here?"

"Fair enough," Schnell says.

The officers handcuff Salva after learning she has outstanding city warrants for mistreatment of children, trespassing, driving while suspended and other traffic violations.

"I'm bleeding. I swear to my God," Salva says.

Schnell replies: "I don't doubt that you're possibly bleeding, but you got a lot more problems with us."

Salva, in her lawsuit, says she continued to plead for help at the jail but still was ignored.

The next morning, jailers let her go to a hospital after she passed a large blood clot.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:00 am


As I said earlier, "Holy s**t".

I could understand them not believing her if she'd just murdered a bunch of people, but a fake tag and no ******** headlights? What do they get for that, a couple hundred bucks? Maybe? I just hope she can get pregnant again, and those cops are fired.

It doesn't matter what they pulled her over for. You can't deny someone medical treatment like that. What if she needed insulin, or medicine for her heart? Even with a miscarriage there can be complications. From this, many other cases, and personal experience I have even less respect for US cops.

MipsyKitten
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Kata Samoes

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:01 am


Apparently the entire video's on the site, and I can't seem to find it.

2nd article: ]http://www.kctv.com/Global/story.asp?s=6016820
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:08 am


MipsyKitten
As I said earlier, "Holy s**t".

I could understand them not believing her if she'd just murdered a bunch of people, but a fake tag and no ******** headlights? What do they get for that, a couple hundred bucks? Maybe? I just hope she can get pregnant again, and those cops are fired.

It doesn't matter what they pulled her over for. You can't deny someone medical treatment like that. What if she needed insulin, or medicine for her heart? Even with a miscarriage there can be complications. From this, many other cases, and personal experience I have even less respect for US cops.


By the sound of her accent, she sounded foreign-born, so the woman treated her like a ******** moron. "It's called a menstrual ******** you KCMO cops. Never liked them anyways.

Found the video! On another website.

http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/il80win10138/013107_police_video.wmv/play.asx

If it doesn't work, go here: http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/16596702.htm

Kata Samoes


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:35 am


First it was that college student who was denied the second dose of her morning-after pill in jail, and now this.

They really aren't trying, are they? Protect and serve, my a**.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:40 am


Wow. This is so appaling. They're not even trying to protect the precious fetuses. o_O

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:53 am


If I was her I wouldn't have pulled over.

That seriously made me want to vomit.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:59 am


It was to my understanding, regardless of one's truthfulness in claims for medical help a police officer is required by law to fulfill those claims and take them to get medical help. At least that was to my understanding in NC. My boyfriend works at a hospital sees people trying to avoid jail time saying "my stomach hurts" to go to the hospital, when they're going to go to jail regardless. This is really appalling and I have less faith in the police system then I did before...though I didn't really trust them to begin with biggrin

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SterileNeedles

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:10 pm


0_o.... I was just reading this earlier and then I ran out to my car to head off to school so I didn't have time to comment, but when I turned my radio on they were talking about this exact same thing and also the story about the woman who was denied her Plan B.

They even had a police officer call in and he was saying that a lot of times they get people that lie to them and say they have like stomach pains or they were on their way to the hospital, but he agreed that that doesn't excuse them from making sure they get medical treatment. He said they could have called the fire department after they arrested her and have them come down to the station to check her out and make sure everything was ok.

I don't know what to say...this is just...arg... stressed
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:19 pm


yup, that's cops anywhere for ya. i dare say the Council Bluffs cops are worse, though. i've already lost all faith in the police, and i can honestly say this doesn't surprise me. it appalls me, yes, but doesn't surprise me in the least.

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PhaedraMcSpiffy

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:41 pm


As horrible as this all is, someone brought up an interesting point:

Quote:
By the sound of her accent, she sounded foreign-born, so the woman treated her like a ******** moron. "It's called a menstrual cycle!"


I didn't see the video, but it's clear from the quotes in the article that she didn't speak English very well. And many immigrants come from places where medical information is not all that common. So it is possible that the police really did just think she was menstruating. But still: Why the hell would a grown woman not be able to tell the difference between menstrual bleeding and a miscarraige?! She said over and over that she was pregnant! Why the hell didn't they listen?

And this is ridiculous. You have to listen to people who say they're hurt, even when you think they might be lying. You're not them, you don't know what they're feeling, and you're not a doctor, either.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:52 pm


SterileNeedles
0_o.... I was just reading this earlier and then I ran out to my car to head off to school so I didn't have time to comment, but when I turned my radio on they were talking about this exact same thing and also the story about the woman who was denied her Plan B.

They even had a police officer call in and he was saying that a lot of times they get people that lie to them and say they have like stomach pains or they were on their way to the hospital, but he agreed that that doesn't excuse them from making sure they get medical treatment. He said they could have called the fire department after they arrested her and have them come down to the station to check her out and make sure everything was ok.

I don't know what to say...this is just...arg... stressed


Get the fire department to check? Why the fire department?

Tsamikayu


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:21 pm


Tsamikayu
SterileNeedles
0_o.... I was just reading this earlier and then I ran out to my car to head off to school so I didn't have time to comment, but when I turned my radio on they were talking about this exact same thing and also the story about the woman who was denied her Plan B.

They even had a police officer call in and he was saying that a lot of times they get people that lie to them and say they have like stomach pains or they were on their way to the hospital, but he agreed that that doesn't excuse them from making sure they get medical treatment. He said they could have called the fire department after they arrested her and have them come down to the station to check her out and make sure everything was ok.

I don't know what to say...this is just...arg... stressed


Get the fire department to check? Why the fire department?


[size=9]To have a job at a firedepartment, you need to have more medical skills then that of a cop.
Have you never ever seen one of the firerescue's ambulences?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:23 pm


While I do feel that they should have pulled her over, they should have at the very least allowed her to get medical aid, and perhaps followed her to the hospital or somesuch if they wanted to arrest her so badly. If she were to go to jail, going to the hospital first wouldn't have made any difference.

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