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 Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:53 pm
isnt that from the book by George Orwell? 1984? or am i just crazy...
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:00 pm
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:32 pm
its been forever since I have read that book... Wonderful book smile
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:16 am
I don't think I've read 1984 or Animal Farm since about the fifth grade, but I recall enjoying them a great deal more than most of the material I read in school. Most of it was so childish. The teacher that gave me Orwell wouldn't even assign it to the other kids in class. She only gave it to me because I'd read everything else on her reading list already. I loved both books.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:45 pm
kleokriesel A few years ago, I heard about these Christian organizations that planned on seceding South Carolina from the Union and making it a Christian theocracy. Back then, there were about 1,000 people planning this. Now, there are about 3,000.
When I first heard about this, I didn't think it was a good idea at all. This is America! Diversity, acceptance, education, tolerance! I don't think that it's Christlike at all to just leave that and form a separate society. I'm not saying all Christians are like this, just very many.
But now, as so many Christians want to use religion for political decisions *cough*same-sex marriage*cough*, use the Bible in science classes, promote Christianity (and bemoan other religions) in public institutions, and are even more boisterous - to the point of protesting funerals - I'm beginning to think it's a good idea. Hell, hate crimes and violations of the first amendment will definitely decrease in America if this takes place.
The thousands of Christians who have been trying to form a theocracy want South Carolina because of its rebellious, dogmatic history, it's access to sea and land trade, and for tourism to support the economy (Myrtle Beach is gorgeous). I think that they should allow open access to leave, but why would they listen to me? All schools would be Christian and women couldn't own property, use birth control, keep their family names, or have most jobs (it's their decision, that's another argument I won't get into here).
What do you think of this? Do you think this is a good idea? Would you go live there? Remember, all previous Christian theocracies ended in war, torture, and genocide. I think a Christian theocracy is a good idea, but it probably wouldn't work. If it were possible to build a Christian state on the twin foundations of loving God and loving your neighbor, it would be a better place than America. It wouldn't be a dumping ground for all the religious bigots and idiots (lots of overlap here), but instead it would be a place where the ideals of humanity could be realized. But to think that such a perfect place could be built by fallible humans is merely wishful thinking on my part, and escapism on theirs. Furthermore, 3000 is not nearly enough to found a new country, especially considering the state they want as a population of some millions. If they really want to affect government, they should all move to together to influential states and vote for Christian policies. In other words, they should use the system they already have, instead of dreaming up a new one.
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:37 pm
Here's the scary part: These nutcases don't want South Carolina, they want the whole ******** country. Do I support it becoming a theocracy? No.
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:30 am
Harvested Sorrow Here's the scary part: These nutcases don't want South Carolina, they want the whole ******** country. Do I support it becoming a theocracy? No. But as they are an incredibly small minority, I doubt they will get it.
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:22 pm
Well, it doesn't really matter to me, seeing as I don't live in South Carolina. It would be kind of nice if those who think America needs to be a theocracy had a place to go to where they wouldn't be causing any more trouble. Of course, it would not solve all of the problems where debates stem from religion. Not every Christian is going to want to live in a Christian theocracy, just like not every Muslim lives in the Middle East. There would still be a significant number of Christians living in the United States.
My only fear, if such a thing were to happen, is a war over territory. Now, as of 2002, 76% of Americans identified themselves as Christian (that's including the Catholics). If half of them wanted to live in a theocracy, then 38% of our population is suddenly moving to South Carolina (we'll say that those already living there will be balanced out by those non-Christians who will be leaving), which is about 114,433,180 people (and don't let the double numbers make you think that's made up. I honestly just punched that out on my calculator) who are suddenly going to be living in a state that currently has a population of about 4,255,083. I don't think they are going to have room for twenty-six times their current population. If they are going to form a theocracy, they are going to need more land than that.
As I said before though, if not for fear of a territory war with this new theocracy, I really wouldn't care.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:15 pm
sheepofdarkness Harvested Sorrow Here's the scary part: These nutcases don't want South Carolina, they want the whole ******** country. Do I support it becoming a theocracy? No. But as they are an incredibly small minority, I doubt they will get it. They have a chokehold on one of the two biggest political parties in the country (the republican party). I wouldn't call them 'an incredibly small minority' and much less underestimate their power.
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:35 pm
Harvested Sorrow sheepofdarkness Harvested Sorrow Here's the scary part: These nutcases don't want South Carolina, they want the whole ******** country. Do I support it becoming a theocracy? No. But as they are an incredibly small minority, I doubt they will get it. They have a chokehold on one of the two biggest political parties in the country (the republican party). I wouldn't call them 'an incredibly small minority' and much less underestimate their power. Source? I would bet that most Christians do not want a theocracy, in the traditional sense of a rule by priesthood. Under God? Yes. Under Pope, pastor, reverend, whatever? No.
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