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 Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:28 pm
Fae_Knight I have lost relatives before, it sucks. I see what your saying... here is what I think: Scientists will deny it but in some cases they already found answers, they say ki/qi/prana doesn't exist but they already have a word for it, several infact, chemical energy, bioelectricity, bioelectromagnetic energy to name a few. NDEs can be explained as blood flow to the brain slowing or ceasing, a chemical effect. Whether or not consiousness actually is carried on in an astral body is unknown. People who almost die in hospitals see, in great detail, the room they are in, yet they have never seen it before, sometimes never even seen what an ER looks like. 2 sides to my coin. It does, doesn't it? I think your comparisson between ki energy types and known scientific energies is interesting. The thing is that science tends to distance itself from such attributions, since the concept of a 'universal energy' of sorts as discussed by religious or magical groups is quite different (supposedly) from what the scientists are studying. Magic is to many by definition false, so when a magical concept is verified by science, it is demystified and no longer called magic. Funny, that?
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:56 pm
I think ki is more of a grouping of energies, rather than one universal energy.
Ex: Light energy from the sun is used to carry out photosynthesis, so it can be called ki, because plants need it to live, and so do we.
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:49 pm
Starlock chaoticpuppet I do not believe in the concept of a soul; I believe that mind functions can be explained in terms of brain functions. I believe that once brain activity has fully ceased, life has ended and that there is nothing else. Many people would find such a belief rather discomforting. How do you reconcile that? It is very human to want to find some sort of continuity of existence. Do you have some other means of representing the continuity of your own existence or does the idea just plain not matter to you? Just curious. whee Personally, I'm very empirical. I don't fancy holding anything as a truth unless there is some sort of evidence to show for it. As it stands, I have never had an experience of the soul, I therefore have no reason to believe in it. As far as the brain and mind being one and the same, most of modern neuroscience is pointing in that very direction (if not working on that very assumption). And as for the death, I suppose the conservation of matter/energy could suffice for the continuity aspect if I ever found that I needed something to fill such a void that my beliefs (or lack thereof) contain. However, for the most part, continuity is not really an issue that concerns me - besides, some might think that the absence of such continuity would allow one to appreciate life even more; since when it's done, it's done.
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:28 pm
It doesn't matter today, death is inevitable so either we have afterlife/reincarnate or we just die. I feel I will find out when it happens, or lose the ability to care in the first place.
Its just an interesting, brain stimulating topic.
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:09 am
I believe Lavey sums up my idea pretty well. It is pretty much what I've always thought before I found Satanism and read TSB.
LaVey believes that everyone has their own vision of the afterlife. He doesn't claim to know what is beyond grave. He himself however believe after you die there is nothing. You live on in the form of peoples memories. As long as you are not forgotten you never truly die..if you get what I'm saying..not as in your a ghost in peoples minds..but the memory of you keeps you alive..like keeping a memory alive..its not very easy to explain without it sounded weird and being misconcepted..
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:26 pm
Lilith Delost LaVey believes that everyone has their own vision of the afterlife. He doesn't claim to know what is beyond grave. He himself however believe after you die there is nothing. You live on in the form of peoples memories. As long as you are not forgotten you never truly die. From what I understand, there are actually some anthropologists who believe that this is the very origin of the idea of the soul: endurance of memories after a person has died. Memories are, in some respect, the essence of the person in question.
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