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You know... that was probally the most noobish and stuipd thing I have ever written in the longest time. Now I know my grammar and spelling are bad, but to top it all off and make it look some noob posted it... well golly gee durn, ima r-tard.

But she didn't say they're painting contraception as evil, just ineffective and not part of God's plan, which shouldn't matter a bit if you don't believe in God.

She didn't say they were trying to force Christianity on people, or tell people they were evil. She's denying things that ARE proven facts and denying proven correlations from unbiased studies, clinging to studies done by places like NARAL (Oh no, because THEY aren't biased, Ms. Flores rolleyes )

She did not go into that CPC with an open mind, she went in determined to see bad, but even when she's trying to paint it in as negative a light as possible, she doesn't say they call contraception evil, and those pamphlets don't say it never works, they say it's not as affective as it's made out to be. I've heard people on all sides tell pregnant women, "You should've worn a condom," and don't believe the women if they say, "I did," because "condoms are almost 100% effective!"

I'll try to find you a copy of some of those online, but they don't say, they never work! They say, they don't ALWAYS work.

The only reason I doubt her is because I know people who work at CPCs and I've known people who became prolife only after they saw ultrasounds for themselves. I know two doctors who were prochoice until they became MDs, one a family physician and one a gynocologist. The reason she's afraid of ultrasounds isn't because they're exaggerated. It's because even in the first trimester, you can see a form in there. There's no reason to exaggerate.

I didn't say let's not practice it. I'm trying to say, abstinence shouldn't replace sex education.

Damn Xal. It seems you and I disagree only on one thing (openly, I'm sure you and i would vehemetly disagree with the origins of man and the universe, but thats another story).

I vehemtly agree. My mate and I will not be raising our children in the "norm" we plan to home school them, we plan to give them the talk. I actualy agree. Any time a kid gets in trouble, parents want to blame some one else when ultimitly they should have been paying more attention.

I plan to give them the whole talk (contraceptives with stress on abstenence) and then raise them that way.