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 Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:20 pm
This is a question of morality, really. I was wondering if it would be immoral to invoke someone who is alive in our world. I don't know him, he does not know me, for he is a famous psychologist. But I do believe that if I invoke his energy, it will help me. But in doing this, I wouldn't be able to ask for permission. Obviously, I do not want to bring harm to him. But I do not want to use another source. I doubt that invoking him would be harmful, but should I perhaps refrain from doing so? What would you do in a situation like this? That is, would you invoke the energy of a celebrity, for example, to help you with something?
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:26 pm
Unless it was a life or death matter, and you knew their energy would be absolutely what you needed, then I could see it morally correct. Otherwise, for small time things and learning, you need their permission. If you don't have it, it boils down to theft, in a sense.
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:22 am
My question is, HOW do you plan in inviting a live person's spirit into your body when it is already connected to its own body? If youre ripping this man's spirit from his body, tangling up his tether with your own, and then using his knowledge unwillingly, how exactly would you plan on this going?
Assuming that it will actually happen:
1. He's not going to know who the hell you are, so its not likely he's going to just give his informaton just like that.
2. Human's can't handle possession long or seperation from their bodies, so by the time you'll actusally be able to convince him to help you, you'll most likely be at your limit.
3. He may have trouble getting out of your body and getting back to his, meaning youre going to have to expend even MORE of your energy to support him and direct him home, making the whole thing a HUGE waste of energy with little gotten out of it.
No matter how experienced you may be with invoking (whih I think it would be a LOT better if you'd just evoke him instead), you're forgetting that he's not a spirit at this point, he is a human being with earthly tethers. He most likely will not have a freaken clue and will be awkward and clumsy in a spiritual self.
As for whether its right or wrong, that's your decision, why are you asking us? You're the person, you decide your morals.
But, of course, that's just me. I'm not you.
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:56 am
You can invoke an essence of something without drawing off an individual entity. This might make no sense at all in your worldview, but the way I usually see things, individualized identities are not as discreet as we often take them to be and there are many, many levels of reality. You can draw off your own idea and conceptualization of this person's energy without actually using the energy of the living person in this world. Draw off the archetype, so to speak, but functionally it has the same effect.
But what do I know? Just throwing out an idea.
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:59 pm
Starlock You can invoke an essence of something without drawing off an individual entity. This might make no sense at all in your worldview, but the way I usually see things, individualized identities are not as discreet as we often take them to be and there are many, many levels of reality. You can draw off your own idea and conceptualization of this person's energy without actually using the energy of the living person in this world. Draw off the archetype, so to speak, but functionally it has the same effect. But what do I know? Just throwing out an idea.
Look, Iono either, that's just my logic speaking.
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:47 am
Aila-al-Jehan Starlock You can invoke an essence of something without drawing off an individual entity. This might make no sense at all in your worldview, but the way I usually see things, individualized identities are not as discreet as we often take them to be and there are many, many levels of reality. You can draw off your own idea and conceptualization of this person's energy without actually using the energy of the living person in this world. Draw off the archetype, so to speak, but functionally it has the same effect. But what do I know? Just throwing out an idea.
Look, Iono either, that's just my logic speaking. Well, I'll put this in another frame, hypothetically. These concepts might not work at all for you and that's fine. Everything exists somewhere. Literally. Absolutely everything imagined, every idea, every concept... exists in a very real sense. Limitless realities, so to speak. Things exist which humans are incapable of perceiving as well. From this paradigm it simply becomes a matter of drawing off the essence of a different chunk of reality than the one you conventionally occupy. There isn't just one of these famous psychologists. He exists in limitless different forms in slightly different (or radically different) realities. Hell, you could pick one variety of him for your spirit guide if you wanted to. But it wouldn't be the exact same 'him' who you read about in a textbook. Again, though, hypothetically. I'm having a hard time putting into words what I'm talking about here. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:06 am
Starlock Aila-al-Jehan Starlock You can invoke an essence of something without drawing off an individual entity. This might make no sense at all in your worldview, but the way I usually see things, individualized identities are not as discreet as we often take them to be and there are many, many levels of reality. You can draw off your own idea and conceptualization of this person's energy without actually using the energy of the living person in this world. Draw off the archetype, so to speak, but functionally it has the same effect. But what do I know? Just throwing out an idea.
Look, Iono either, that's just my logic speaking. Well, I'll put this in another frame, hypothetically. These concepts might not work at all for you and that's fine. Everything exists somewhere. Literally. Absolutely everything imagined, every idea, every concept... exists in a very real sense. Limitless realities, so to speak. Things exist which humans are incapable of perceiving as well. From this paradigm it simply becomes a matter of drawing off the essence of a different chunk of reality than the one you conventionally occupy. There isn't just one of these famous psychologists. He exists in limitless different forms in slightly different (or radically different) realities. Hell, you could pick one variety of him for your spirit guide if you wanted to. But it wouldn't be the exact same 'him' who you read about in a textbook. Again, though, hypothetically. I'm having a hard time putting into words what I'm talking about here. sweatdrop
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