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 Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:14 pm
boku_wa_kage terranproby42 First, Catholics do believe in Heaven and Hell, hence all of the Heaven and Hell art taht came out of the dark ages. No, they don't. Quite a few years ago, in the 90's the Pope said that Heaven and Hell were just states about the presence or absence of God, nothing more. But there were no fire in hell and that Satan has a tail and stuff like that. And also, the Pope said that the Genesis is a total simbolic book, and that Adam and Eve we're a myth, because he accepts evolution as the most viable way things happened. Are you even catholic? Catholics believe that when you die, you go to purgatory to pay off the sins you haven't confessed to and repented for. You stay there until Judgement Day. Then you are judged and sent to Heaven or Hell. The Pope probably meant that the way we see Heaven and Hell are symbolic. Of course Satan doesn't have a tail. Angels probably aren't all blond and ethereal. God may or may not be an old man. Perhaps God is a woman, as the feminists like to believe. But, whatever it is, it's what we like to see here on earth. Humans are visual creatures, so we had to create something that showed, symbolically, what Heaven and Hell looked like in our mind's eye, painted from the depictions in the Bible.
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 1:38 pm
I was Catholic. After 3 theology courses in college, I prefer to think of myself just as a believer.
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:03 am
boku_wa_kage I was Catholic. After 3 theology courses in college, I prefer to think of myself just as a believer. Then why would you say those things about Catholics if you were one? You should know better than that.
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 8:46 am
Ares boku_wa_kage I was Catholic. After 3 theology courses in college, I prefer to think of myself just as a believer. Then why would you say those things about Catholics if you were one? You should know better than that. What things??? Bad things??? Explain, please.
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 9:46 pm
boku_wa_kage Ares boku_wa_kage I was Catholic. After 3 theology courses in college, I prefer to think of myself just as a believer. Then why would you say those things about Catholics if you were one? You should know better than that. What things??? Bad things??? Explain, please. About how Catholics don't believe in Heaven and Hell, etc. Basically what all you were writing before. But, it's not that I'm chastizing you. I just wanted to know if you were actually Catholic.
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:57 pm
like the creator of the thread so adamantly put...he is not catholic and neither is the focus of this thread...so instead of going through this long drawn out arguement about what cotholicism entails, can't we just stick to the basics of theology...who cares about the belief of heaven and hell...I believe the question was are all sins judged the same or not? If I tell my mom a lie do I recieve the same punishment as if I were to kill her?
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Socrates in Disguise Captain
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:33 pm
Socrates in Disguise like the creator of the thread so adamantly put...he is not catholic and neither is the focus of this thread...so instead of going through this long drawn out arguement about what cotholicism entails, can't we just stick to the basics of theology...who cares about the belief of heaven and hell... I believe the question was are all sins judged the same or not? If I tell my mom a lie do I recieve the same punishment as if I were to kill her? Allright...relax blaugh my mistake then. Anyway... it depends. Edic put the Christ and Paul as examples. We'll Christ believe that if U had enough faith and if U we're promised that U'd never sin again, then you're saved. But Paul's view was indeed more chastizing. So, it depends who u want to follow. Besides, if U compare the OT and the NT...U will find that God "converts" from a punisher to a loving-being. But that's just the own vision of men in paper.
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:13 am
Socrates in Disguise like the creator of the thread so adamantly put...he is not catholic and neither is the focus of this thread...so instead of going through this long drawn out arguement about what cotholicism entails, can't we just stick to the basics of theology...who cares about the belief of heaven and hell... I believe the question was are all sins judged the same or not? If I tell my mom a lie do I recieve the same punishment as if I were to kill her? Thank you... but what if we believe in CHrist and didnt repent before we died? do we go to hell for those sins. THe point of my posting this thread, was to discover if we were once saved is it like insurance to go to heaven? For example we follow CHrist for a year believing in His name and following his statutes but then the year after we back slide, "fall away from His teachings and morals by not living them" and tragically die in a car accident. Do we still go to Heaven?
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:42 pm
Socrates in Disguise like the creator of the thread so adamantly put...he is not catholic and neither is the focus of this thread...so instead of going through this long drawn out arguement about what cotholicism entails, can't we just stick to the basics of theology...who cares about the belief of heaven and hell... I believe the question was are all sins judged the same or not? If I tell my mom a lie do I recieve the same punishment as if I were to kill her? I'm sorry...it's just that this is what I know. I said what I thought from the religions I knew...if it was about catholicism and luthernism then it's because that's what I know and have learned from. I think it's ok that things get off topic...it's the way discussions go. But really, no, I don't think that sins should be all judged the same...I don't know if we can say they all are or are not. If you talk about people judging you, I'd say no, people will more easily forgive a lie then a murder, etc... And I still say...No. If I can't believe that God will punish someone more for letting out their rage and killing someone, or raping some innocent child, etc...then he would for someone lying...I just really wouldn't accept that. That doesn't fit my beliefs of people getting what they deserve, now or in the end. Some people are tormented by the conscience for years after they do something horrible like kill someone (accident or not), while others may still hold on to that anger and be tormented when they die. It all depends...
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:08 pm
boku_wa_kage Socrates in Disguise like the creator of the thread so adamantly put...he is not catholic and neither is the focus of this thread...so instead of going through this long drawn out arguement about what cotholicism entails, can't we just stick to the basics of theology...who cares about the belief of heaven and hell... I believe the question was are all sins judged the same or not? If I tell my mom a lie do I recieve the same punishment as if I were to kill her? Allright...relax blaugh my mistake then. Anyway... it depends. Edic put the Christ and Paul as examples. We'll Christ believe that if U had enough faith and if U we're promised that U'd never sin again, then you're saved. But Paul's view was indeed more chastizing. So, it depends who u want to follow. Besides, if U compare the OT and the NT...U will find that God "converts" from a punisher to a loving-being. But that's just the own vision of men in paper. yes...who do you want to follow? The Son of God or one of His disciples? and I don't see any proof that Paul said that and I am against the Catholic Church for SO many reasons 1. they support the Crusades and Christ said NOT to fight in His fathers name 2. they pray to Saints when the Bible says all believers are Saints and that not to pray to ANYTHING but YHWH and Y'shua 3. they also believe in working off sins when the Bible says "through faith you are saved not works" and a great Christian band once said "faith withou works is like a screendoor on a submarine" yes you NEED works but faith comes first and your works don't save you they prove your faith though you shouldn't be trying to grab peoples attention when doing these works either you are supose to be humble... but yea and among other things that I don't support them I'm not going to condemn them its not my job if I get a chance I try to point out their churches faults to its followers but I'm not going to walk up to one and scream "YOUR GOING TO HELL!!" because that'd be against Christ teachings to love one another unless I try to get away with calling it "tough love" which I won't I'm here to show mercy love and peace not hate and I'll try not to....
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