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 Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:04 pm
I follow the Eightfold path and live my life as if Karma existed.
But my rule is I'll believe it when I witness it, even Buddha himself said only truths that can be tested are real, I'm inclined to believe he saw Karma as something that can be tested.
Does anyone have any real life examples to provide?
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:25 pm
I don't care for mysticism, so I find it easier to interpret "karma" as causality. Specifically, the way in which conscious beings interact with the world and with each other.
There are two types of causality in the way we normally think about it. The first is direct causality. If someone is being rude to you and you hit them, and they hit back.... this is an example of one negative action lending to another. The results are also pretty obvious, since they happen all right in front of you.
The second type is indirect or systemic causality. This one is rather difficult for people to grasp and to explain.... though if you're familiar with the butterfly effect in Chaos Theory, it's a bit like that.
Basically, that all our choices and actions add up along with others, resulting in an effect one way or another. Whether it's economic, political, spiritual, social, etc... it adds up to who you are and what you ultimately become. (The world is essentially a democracy... who knew. ninja )
Edit: I just thought of the 2005 movie, Crash. That's a fair interpretation of karma in action. At least in a way people can follow...
The reason humans have karma while less conscious beings do not is because humans are (almost) entirely self-aware, and so can act with intentions and control their own behaviors. One can master their karma by increasingly becoming conscious of their own nature and directing it towards rational discipline and compassion.
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:47 am
Demon Kagerou I don't care for mysticism, so I find it easier to interpret "karma" as causality. Specifically, the way in which conscious beings interact with the world and with each other. There are two types of causality in the way we normally think about it. The first is direct causality. If someone is being rude to you and you hit them, and they hit back.... this is an example of one negative action lending to another. The results are also pretty obvious, since they happen all right in front of you. The second type is indirect or systemic causality. This one is rather difficult for people to grasp and to explain.... though if you're familiar with the butterfly effect in Chaos Theory, it's a bit like that. Basically, that all our choices and actions add up along with others, resulting in an effect one way or another. Whether it's economic, political, spiritual, social, etc... it adds up to who you are and what you ultimately become. (The world is essentially a democracy... who knew. ninja ) Edit: I just thought of the 2005 movie, Crash. That's a fair interpretation of karma in action. At least in a way people can follow... The reason humans have karma while less conscious beings do not is because humans are (almost) entirely self-aware, and so can act with intentions and control their own behaviors. One can master their karma by increasingly becoming conscious of their own nature and directing it towards rational discipline and compassion. That is one of the best description of "karma" ive heard. You put it so that even people with no buddhist knowledge will be able to grasp the meaning of karma.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:22 pm
Simple IBS I eat sugar too much sugar I get stomach cramps. Realy bad ones as well
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:44 pm
Well, I suppose it's the same with karma as it is with physics. Newton stated that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You type on a key, the key goes down, but the key also pushes back on your finger. I know that's a crappy example but it was the first thing I could think of.
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:14 am
Karma is puzzle to me, because I hear different things. And know very little...
However, I'm fairly sure there is no unknown force directng what you do, it's cause and effect.
You hit a dog, and he bites you. That's your karma.
You fire a bullet into the sky, it hits a child, you go to jail.
The World reacts to what you do, and everything has a price.
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:41 am
Son Vrai Karma is puzzle to me, because I hear different things. And know very little...
However, I'm fairly sure there is no unknown force directng what you do, it's cause and effect.
You hit a dog, and he bites you. That's your karma.
You fire a bullet into the sky, it hits a child, you go to jail.
The World reacts to what you do, and everything has a price. Punch the guy down the street and then see what will happen xd
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:14 am
Demon Kagerou I don't care for mysticism, so I find it easier to interpret "karma" as causality. Specifically, the way in which conscious beings interact with the world and with each other. There are two types of causality in the way we normally think about it. The first is direct causality. If someone is being rude to you and you hit them, and they hit back.... this is an example of one negative action lending to another. The results are also pretty obvious, since they happen all right in front of you. The second type is indirect or systemic causality. This one is rather difficult for people to grasp and to explain.... though if you're familiar with the butterfly effect in Chaos Theory, it's a bit like that. Basically, that all our choices and actions add up along with others, resulting in an effect one way or another. Whether it's economic, political, spiritual, social, etc... it adds up to who you are and what you ultimately become. (The world is essentially a democracy... who knew. ninja ) Edit: I just thought of the 2005 movie, Crash. That's a fair interpretation of karma in action. At least in a way people can follow... The reason humans have karma while less conscious beings do not is because humans are (almost) entirely self-aware, and so can act with intentions and control their own behaviors. One can master their karma by increasingly becoming conscious of their own nature and directing it towards rational discipline and compassion. I think this is the best explanation of a Karma system that I've seen. This makes sense as long as a person does not dogmatically adhere to it and assume that every time a person commits a good act it will lead to good karma or good affects and the inverse will occur every time a person commits a bad act. It would be WONDERFUL if such a thing did exist and I'd probably actually be a reasonably happy person. Unfortunately, it's more of an idealistic system that plays out in theory but doesn't work so well in reality.
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:33 pm
Harvested Sorrow I think this is the best explanation of a Karma system that I've seen. This makes sense as long as a person does not dogmatically adhere to it and assume that every time a person commits a good act it will lead to good karma or good affects and the inverse will occur every time a person commits a bad act. It would be WONDERFUL if such a thing did exist and I'd probably actually be a reasonably happy person. Unfortunately, it's more of an idealistic system that plays out in theory but doesn't work so well in reality. Ah, but causality is a very real way in which things interact. It's the basis for physics, after all. As far as we're concerned, nothing can exist outside of causality, or it would have no effect on us. The sort of idealism one may get into with "karma" is in their interpretation of "good" and "bad". These are of course, very subjective ways of viewing the world. One's ideas about suffering may be very different from another's, so their approaches to overcome suffering...whatever that may imply for them... will be unique to their own situation. Yet, karma in that sense, is what connects us as individuals to the whole of society and nature. But you have to be careful not to take it literally, because its a process, not a force or an object in its own right. Its simply interaction.
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:13 am
Oh, no. I understand that causuality is a real principle and works. However, the karma system (I admit, I'm speaking of the mystical force at this point rather than your interpretation of karma, it seems) seems to indicate that EVERY bad action is going to lead to something bad happening to that person and every good action will lead to something good happening...this is what I find idealistic as that doesn't always occur.
I suppose what I was trying to get at is that I like and believe your version of the karma system makes sense...as long as you don't apply it as a one hundred percent fail-safe system. xp
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