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 Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:39 am
hi this is my first post so im introducing myself first. There are many problems getting pro-life laws passed now for many major reasons. One of the reasons is that many politicians do not want thing to go back to the way the we were before abortion bacame legal and we had clinics for it. Before abortion clinics exested wemon would usually go into back allies and self remove the fetis with some sort of sharp hooked object killing the child and seriusly harming the mother. Before abortion became ligal there were some 5000+ deaths a year to wemon who had given themselfs an abortion and another 10000+ were checked into hospitals for serius bodly harm.
another problem is social standings people frown to much upon teenagers who have kids when they should look more at the situation as a blessing. If you look back through history about 150 years , which was not very long ago, the average girl was married at 12 and had a child at 14, and the average male was married at 16 and had a child by 18, and very few peaple even lived to 50. As we discover ways to extend our life beond our natueral limitations we view. Teenagers as less and less capable of learning , so we hold them back and try to shelter them, when they are perfictly capable of learning. The family should look at the unborn child with caring and love and not push the mother/or son away but inbrace them whole . If most of society was more exepting of the situation there would be far fewer abortions.Having a child teaches people many life lessons.
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:36 pm
I think that's probably the idea of being pro-life, it's to try to promote the idea that abortion is not something good to do. But at the same time, people who support abortion continually try to justify themselves to make themselves feel better... which is saddening.
It's like, if they're willing to have sex, why can't they just accept that what they do is considered killing. Rather than accept it, we get arguments about how the fetus is not a child.
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:11 pm
We also must consider the reasons WHY women get abortions in the first place.
Poor adoption system
The possibility of losing a job
Spousal/boyfriend/parent pressure
Rape
Lack of facilities, aid and support for mothers that are working or in school.
For all of these problems, abortion is a "quick fix" but it doesn't solve the problems themselves. Those who opt NOT to abort are still faced with them.
If abortion was made illegal right now, it wouldn't be enough because the original issues that lead to abortion still exist. ANYTHING to help make a mother's life easier will be one step closer to our goal. It's one less reason to abort.
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:32 pm
I think the biggest legal problem involves an unwillingness to compromise, on both sides. I mentioned this in the riot grrls guild the other day; federal legislation banning late-term abortions has repeatedly failed because bills either don't include an exception to save the woman's life or they ban a procedure used for other things, e.g. dilation and extraction. That's necessary if a woman miscarries late in pregnancy; it makes more sense to word a bill to prohibit the termination of a pregnancy past a certain "age" instead.
Sometimes I think the people in the U.S. who write anti-abortion bills are actually trying to keep it completely legal. They're doing a wonderful job of that.
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:01 pm
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:44 am
In addition to what has been said above, another factor in resistance of pro-life bills is the radical methods of some extremists. It is one thing to hold pro-life rallies and write to legislatures to help end abortion, it is quite another to bomb abortion clinics or kill abortion doctors. When incedences such as these take place it makes people in the middle tend to lean more pro-choice. While one abortion clinic may no longer be functioning, but it draws overall support for abortion and fortifies the pro-choice argument.
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:57 pm
As I said in ED, in the United States we need a majority of conservative judges, and that's it, we'll win. They won't even breach the deeper points of this subject, they'll do what they need to do and move on.
But it'll then have to move onto Congress to be made illegal, that may be a ride....
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:12 pm
I have to agree on the extremists... even pro-abortion extremists are bad, it's just that they rationalize to the point where they seem like they are correct.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:33 pm
You know? Sorry for bothering you and being pro-choice here, but I don't think your efforts should be towards making abortion illegal. I don't think a woman should be punished for making a decision over her own body.
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:08 am
Joy-ish You know? Sorry for bothering you and being pro-choice here, but I don't think your efforts should be towards making abortion illegal. I don't think a woman should be punished for making a decision over her own body.
You're perfectly allowed to drink on its own (as long as you're above a certain age), you're perfectly allowed to drive on your own (once again as long as you're above a certain age), however you cannot mix the two. Even though you're allowed driving, you have your license and what not, and you're allowed drinking you're not allowed to get in that car and drive. Even though it's your body that's drunk. The reason for this? You could hurt someone else.
The pro-life side is perfectly well aware of the fact that making abortion illegal doesn't mean that it will suddenly disappear. However that doesn't mean that it's something we feel should be supported by the government, and we don't feel it's something that should go un-punished.
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:28 am
Joy-ish You know? Sorry for bothering you and being pro-choice here, but I don't think your efforts should be towards making abortion illegal. I don't think a woman should be punished for making a decision over her own body. I know that girls do say that "it is my body and I will do what I want to". Well, honostly, it isnt only their own body that is being affected anymore. There is another body and soul. I really wish that it WOULD be illegal. The sad fact is after that happens it will lead to even worse things that girls will be doing. That is the whole problem with it. I think the girl should have chosen first. For those who didnt choose I do feel truly sorry for. The fact also is that there is someone else involved, a little baby. There is a thing called adoption and I think that if you truly dont think that you can handle a baby the least that they can do is go through the pregnancy and give the baby a shot at a real life.
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:13 pm
Camryn49 Joy-ish You know? Sorry for bothering you and being pro-choice here, but I don't think your efforts should be towards making abortion illegal. I don't think a woman should be punished for making a decision over her own body. I know that girls do say that "it is my body and I will do what I want to". Well, honostly, it isnt only their own body that is being affected anymore. There is another body and soul. I really wish that it WOULD be illegal. The sad fact is after that happens it will lead to even worse things that girls will be doing. That is the whole problem with it. I think the girl should have chosen first. For those who didnt choose I do feel truly sorry for. The fact also is that there is someone else involved, a little baby. There is a thing called adoption and I think that if you truly dont think that you can handle a baby the least that they can do is go through the pregnancy and give the baby a shot at a real life. The adoption and foster care system is horrible though, 65% of all children in the american adoption/fostercare system dont go to college, 42% dont pass highschool, 31% commet suicide, and 23% go to a JDS at least once.
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