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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:06 am

It seems like you think that all art from Japan is anime because you posted that image as a defense to anime, as though it somehow were anime.

Given that it shares very few qualities with anime in general, it appears that the only relationship it might have to anime is that it is asian.

If you are not qualifying this image as anime because it's asian, and you are not qualifying it as anime because it looks like anime (which it obviously doesn't), why are you qualifying it as anime?

And if you were not qualifying it as anime, what relevance does it have?

Zebee

That image was done with oils, not watercolors.

I was definitely NOT claiming that just because it was from Japan that it was "anime." The inspiration behind the art of both artists who worked on that painting involves animation and comic books from their childhoods. And they're from Japan, hence the anime/manga style used in the painting.

I have no idea where you got the impression that I thought "ALL ART FROM JAPAN=ANIME". You're making an argument against a claim that wasn't made.

THIS NAME IS QUITE SMART

What? No, we don't "shun" or "ignore" what you people are saying- I just disagree with it. That water-colored image Zeebee posted isn't even anime a little. What about that is anime? The fact it's from japan? LIES

Thats where our opinions differ. You all think somthing is anime if it's from japan, or if the artist declares it as anime. I think anime is STUFF THAT LOOKS LIKE ANIME. And maybe I am not being exact enough by saying I dislike anime, I just think that somthing so overplayed and overdone takes somthing ******** special to make good. But 99% of mainsteam anime doesn't have anything to set it apart from other s**t.

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:50 pm

Did you read my post?

Let me repeat:

"The inspiration behind the art of both artists who worked on that painting involves animation and comic books from their childhoods. And they're from Japan, hence the anime/manga style used in the painting. "

Large eyes, rounded face, exaggerated large hair, fantasy qualities all are qualities of japanese animation/manga.

Let me also repeat:

"I have no idea where you got the impression that I thought "ALL ART FROM JAPAN=ANIME". You're making an argument against a claim that wasn't made."

I was using that painting to show that you can use anime-esque qualities to make a successful oil painting.

You saying, "If you are not qualifying this image as anime because it's asian, and you are not qualifying it as anime because it looks like anime (which it obviously doesn't), why are you qualifying it as anime?"

It "obviously" doesn't look like anime is an immature way of rephrasing what I said. It misrepresents the point of both the original post I made and my opinion about "anime." Please read through my posts before jumping to conclusions. I never said that it was ANIME. I said it used anime as an inspiration that is quite obviously incorporated into the style of the painting with the use of shining large, childlike eyes in proportion to a small, simplified mouth, rounded face, and otherworldly qualities such as the yellow brick road coming out of her mouth (also referencing a childhood movie The Wizard of Oz).

I think you just misunderstood my point. But I'm baffled at the fact that you don't see anime-like qualities in that painting. Please share why you think that this painting doesn't share any stylistic qualities with anime, I'm really interested to know your thoughts on it.

I'm pretty sure this was just a misunderstanding because of how tangental our arguments got. But again, I wasn't posting that image as a defence to anime, I was arguing that an oil painting done in an anime-like style can be quite well done and successful, not butt ugly like THIS NAME IS QUITE SMART had been claiming. I posted the image to show that there are oil paintings out there done in an anime-like style that are actually quite beautiful, at least in my opinion.

Also, I never claimed that all art from Japan qualifies as anime. I still do not understand where you got that idea, even from your explanation. confused

Dr. Valentine

It seems like you think that all art from Japan is anime because you posted that image as a defense to anime, as though it somehow were anime.

Given that it shares very few qualities with anime in general, it appears that the only relationship it might have to anime is that it is asian.

If you are not qualifying this image as anime because it's asian, and you are not qualifying it as anime because it looks like anime (which it obviously doesn't), why are you qualifying it as anime?

And if you were not qualifying it as anime, what relevance does it have?

Zebee

That image was done with oils, not watercolors.

I was definitely NOT claiming that just because it was from Japan that it was "anime." The inspiration behind the art of both artists who worked on that painting involves animation and comic books from their childhoods. And they're from Japan, hence the anime/manga style used in the painting.

I have no idea where you got the impression that I thought "ALL ART FROM JAPAN=ANIME". You're making an argument against a claim that wasn't made.

THIS NAME IS QUITE SMART

What? No, we don't "shun" or "ignore" what you people are saying- I just disagree with it. That water-colored image Zeebee posted isn't even anime a little. What about that is anime? The fact it's from japan? LIES

Thats where our opinions differ. You all think somthing is anime if it's from japan, or if the artist declares it as anime. I think anime is STUFF THAT LOOKS LIKE ANIME. And maybe I am not being exact enough by saying I dislike anime, I just think that somthing so overplayed and overdone takes somthing ******** special to make good. But 99% of mainsteam anime doesn't have anything to set it apart from other s**t.

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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:30 am

I did read your posts but I fail to see the relevance of any of them. Essentially there is a difference between an anime painting and a painting that may borrow some qualities from anime. I spoke out against painting anime, not against drawing from some anime influences.

If you cannoty see the difference between an anime painting and a painting that is not anime but may draw some influences from anime, please contrast the original post image against the one you posted.

I feel as though I am on trial here and I'm not entirely happy about it. I've explained my opinions in far deeper detail than I care to have done. If you do not understand what I have had to say by this point, I don't believe that you ever will. If you dislike my points feel free to disregard them entirely, as is your right.

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:55 am

Dr. Valentine

I did read your posts but I fail to see the relevance of any of them. Essentially there is a difference between an anime painting and a painting that may borrow some qualities from anime. I spoke out against painting anime, not against drawing from some anime influences.

If you cannoty see the difference between an anime painting and a painting that is not anime but may draw some influences from anime, please contrast the original post image against the one you posted.

I feel as though I am on trial here and I'm not entirely happy about it. I've explained my opinions in far deeper detail than I care to have done. If you do not understand what I have had to say by this point, I don't believe that you ever will. If you dislike my points feel free to disregard them entirely, as is your right.

I'm sorry you feel like you're on trial, I was just trying to clear up my argument but I suppose we still fail to understand one another. heart Maybe I am still being unclear? This is a tired argument and I'm sorry for dragging it on, I was just attempting to explain myself a little bit more but my point was most likely lost. confused

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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:51 pm

crazy spork i am

THIS NAME IS QUITE SMART

What? No, we don't "shun" or "ignore" what you people are saying- I just disagree with it. That water-colored image Zeebee posted isn't even anime a little. What about that is anime? The fact it's from japan? LIES

Thats where our opinions differ. You all think somthing is anime if it's from japan, or if the artist declares it as anime. I think anime is STUFF THAT LOOKS LIKE ANIME. And maybe I am not being exact enough by saying I dislike anime, I just think that somthing so overplayed and overdone takes somthing ******** special to make good. But 99% of mainsteam anime doesn't have anything to set it apart from other s**t.

Hell, it's like any art. If you have nothing in your art that makes your art "your art" then you fail. and to me anime is a STYLE that tryes to be as un-unique as possable. When anime does look good, it has somthing special, unique, and original about it- and to me that is good enough not to be grouped in with anime. I am sure a lot of artists who have anime-influanced worked would be quite offended if you called their work anime. ********, nothing pisses me off more.

Anyways I hate anime. If people are allowed to say "I like anime" even though it's a genre too huge to really honestly say "I like it" then I am gonna say I hate it, and I am gonna like saying it.

And if they are just saying "I like anime" as in "I like a wide range of anime", well then whats wrong with me saying "anime is bloody a** poo". I just mean "A wide range of anime is bloody a** poo".

But I am too drunk on LIFE to continue misspelling things. BAI.

i think you're a little late since the party has pretty much blown over. but at least now you've actually decided on being a little specific with your point of view. mainstream anime will more often than not look cheap because of the time constraints and budgets. it's the same with any sort of animation especially made for tv shows. coming up with a 25-30 minute episode to show week after week is pretty taxing, and studios from different countries have different ways of cutting corners to make deadlines. and as with anything, there will be anime that will go beyond those expectations and limitations. miyazaki is lucky enough to have the talent and also the budget for his work to be good. satoshi kon's work is the same. studio 4c and production IG are also along those same lines. and more often than not, people are still going to call their work anime...which by definition doesn't have any connotation of it being called something awful or horrible or any of that sort of prejudice. that kind of blanket statement is similar to people who think that being an artist means having a poor and starving lifestyle. it's a romanticized view but it's misleading. and is that statement wrong? not necessarily, but it does create confusion because not every artist is like that.

same goes for this website. people who aren't familiar with gaia probably think that this place is just filled with a bunch of prepubescent horny kids with no rhyme or reason to their art and/or posts. evidently that's not the case and this guild is a good example of that. and while i can understand that notion, it's not exactly right.

and if 'we all' think that anime is from japan and the two of you are the only ones who have a different definition on it, it's going to create some confusion which doesn't really help your angle on it at all. which was why i was asking for clarification from you.

it's not misspelling, it's miscommunication yo.

i find it difficult to see the word anime as some status symbol, or some derrogatory word for 'poor artist.' my stuff has been called that more often than not and i don't really find offense in it. even though technically i don't do animations that would make my stuff more anime, but i admit that i do find influence in that particular genre/scene.

and again, there's nothing wrong in your opinion. but that also works the same way with everyone else. thanks for clarifying.

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