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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:34 pm


Well, I tried proposing this after DeGei's assault on the VCs last night but before it devolved to Meru and Nymphie stepping down... the limited response it recieved was almost entirely positive, so maybe you could consider adapting it for when/if you decide to hand power back over.

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Ok first off, this is not me yelling at the VCs, criticizing them, or anything. So if you decide to flame, drama-llama or do anything that is deemed unacceptable, you will leave or be forcibly ejected. I don't want this devolving into chaos.

Now then, I have made this to address the issue of the VCs and how additions to the guild can be made in a way that all can agree is fair. And I have some ideas, and a few key points about it that I am going to share.


First, the key points.

- ANY system that all will feel is fair WILL take a decently long period of time to make any decision. I'm thinking no less than two weeks.

- Guild decisions can't be made to satisfy one group or another. Compromise is KEY

- Fighting the VCs is pointless. They are doing the best they know how, yelling at them will just result in arguments and hurt feelings.

- Everyone in the guild deserves to be heard about their feelings on any matter that will affect them.

Now then, the proposed system that I have thought of. First off, this is a rather intensive system, with quite a few steps, but it should ultimately prove to be extremely fair.

Step 1: The Suggestion.
- A member of the guild, any member, sends a suggestion via PM to the Vice Captains (VCs should make a mule to facilitate this. A new mule, custom for the guild.) for a feature, rule, etc. that they wish to be implemented.

Step 2: VC Review.
- The Vice Captains will review the suggestion, determine if it is feasible or even needed in their eyes, and reply with their decision. At least Three out of the Four Vice Captains must make this decision, with the majority decision of the three or four VCs deciding, this allows for a VC being out of communication so that progress can still be made.

Step 3a: Guild Review.
*This step occurs if the VCs approve the suggestion or if 3b is successful.*
(This assumes the current unused subforum will be converted for this idea's purposes if implemented.)
- A thread is created in the new "Guild Management" subforum pertaining to the suggestion. It will contain all relevant data. The guild members will all be able to go into that thread for ONE WEEK, and discuss their thoughts and feelings on the matter. After this week, the VCs will review all of the USEFUL AND COHERENT thoughts given on the matter, no "This is stupid!" posts, and come up with a revised form of the suggestion.

Step 3b: Petition to Veto VC's decision and bring to Guild Review.
*This step occurs if the VCs veto the suggestion.*
- The user who made the suggestion has the chance to override the VCs decision on the matter. They will have to find fifteen people who agree with their idea, get their names and send this list of names in a reply to the VCs. The VCs upon receiving such a list will then proceed with Step 3a as though they approved the suggestion.

Step 4: The revised form of the suggestion will be posted in the "Guild Management" subforum, in a NEW thread, and users can post voting "yea" or "nay" on the matter, NO POLL. Voting will last an additional week. If 60% of the guild members who bother to vote approve the suggestion, it will be implemented. If not, the suggestion may not be re-submitted for a month, upon which time it will have to go through all of the steps again.

The way I see it, this allows everyone who isn't lazy or doesn't care to have a hand in important guild-wide decisions. This is as fair as I feel a system can be, with the rather unique circumstances we have to deal with. Please, think this through before posting, we don't need half-baked replies.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:59 pm


DeGei did not Assualt the VCs.
DeGei listed his feelings on several topics and said somethings about the VCs that were out of line due to misinformation and the VC part wasnt even the main target of the thread, just what everyone has focused on.
Way to miss the point. stare

DeGei


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:26 am


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DeGei did not Assualt the VCs.
DeGei listed his feelings on several topics and said somethings about the VCs that were out of line due to misinformation and the VC part wasnt even the main target of the thread, just what everyone has focused on.
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Damnit DeGei, how did I know something like this would happen. Look, general opinion says that's what you did, so if you don't like it make a thread and apologize for the mistake and tell us what you were intending. I merely supplied that as a way to explain the phrasing of some of it, and you jump all over it. Way to miss the point indeed.

I made this thread for Zae to see this, no other reason. I would appreciate it if everyone refrains from posting in here.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:56 pm


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Damnit DeGei, how did I know something like this would happen.


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Helps if you don't bash using a namedrop.

K I N G S H O Y


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:09 pm


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Damnit DeGei, how did I know something like this would happen.


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Too bad I wasn't bashing, helps to realize that, yanno? It was a simple statement to give Zae reference to the time period the post was made in, so that certain parts of the post, which I simply quoted, wouldn't raise strange questions. Now then, kindly refrain from posting here like I said before.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:05 am


    I'm sorry to ignore your request, but couldn't you just say: "I tried to propose this last night, but nobody saw it"? You really can't say that DeGei did something, and not expect him to reply or defend himself. :/

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:45 pm


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    I'm sorry to ignore your request, but couldn't you just say: "I tried to propose this last night, but nobody saw it"? You really can't say that DeGei did something, and not expect him to reply or defend himself. :/
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DeGei made the thread. That's a fact. And he was rather aggressive towards the VCs in it. Another fact. I used these facts to give Zae a chronological point to understand some of the stuff I was talking about.

Now, everyone, for Christ's sake, leave this alone! If you want to b***h at me for mentioning DeGei for chronology purposes, send me a goddamned PM.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:59 pm


Dukes
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    I'm sorry to ignore your request, but couldn't you just say: "I tried to propose this last night, but nobody saw it"? You really can't say that DeGei did something, and not expect him to reply or defend himself. :/
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DeGei made the thread. That's a fact. And he was rather aggressive towards the VCs in it. Another fact. I used these facts to give Zae a chronological point to understand some of the stuff I was talking about.

Now, everyone, for Christ's sake, leave this alone! If you want to b***h at me for mentioning DeGei for chronology purposes, send me a goddamned PM.

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The reason I took offense is you changed my several point thread on just as many topics and summed it up as "DeGei's bashing of VC."
I went and apologized to Meru, I had some bad information on things at the time the thread was created and thats the reason that point was added. I really dont think there is a need to pursue further arguements here. Just try to avoid that type of mistake, its things like that which turn, "Mr. President, the Iraqi Government may be attempting to locate Nuclear material for testing, but nothing has been proven" into a several year war in the desert.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:22 pm


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    I'm sorry to ignore your request, but couldn't you just say: "I tried to propose this last night, but nobody saw it"? You really can't say that DeGei did something, and not expect him to reply or defend himself. :/
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DeGei made the thread. That's a fact. And he was rather aggressive towards the VCs in it. Another fact. I used these facts to give Zae a chronological point to understand some of the stuff I was talking about.

Now, everyone, for Christ's sake, leave this alone! If you want to b***h at me for mentioning DeGei for chronology purposes, send me a goddamned PM.

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The reason I took offense is you changed my several point thread on just as many topics and summed it up as "DeGei's bashing of VC."
I went and apologized to Meru, I had some bad information on things at the time the thread was created and thats the reason that point was added. I really dont think there is a need to pursue further arguements here. Just try to avoid that type of mistake, its things like that which turn, "Mr. President, the Iraqi Government may be attempting to locate Nuclear material for testing, but nothing has been proven" into a several year war in the desert.
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Yeah because I am supposed to know about your private dealings with Meru. Next time read, also, I said to take it to a PM if you wanted to continue bitching at me. Loving how I'm always the one who's in the wrong ever since I spoke out about the treatment of Meru and Nymphie. -.-

NO MORE TALKING IN HERE DAMNIT! TAKE IT TO PMS LIKE I SAID!


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