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 Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:50 pm
I like Planned Parenthood, because they give out birth control for free or cheap (depending on what you can afford) and are very, very nice when they give out gynecological exams (like say, warming the instruments and talking to you while it's going on). I don't even know of a Planned Parenthood that gives out abortions, or anyone (in real life) that has gone to one for an abortion.
I know that (one of) the founder(s) of Planned Parenthood was a stupid racist. However, that doesn't make the entire organization as it exists now racist. To be fair, Susan B. Anthony's newsletter was paid for by racists (who believed that giving women the right to vote would make it less likely that blacks would get equal rights), but that doesn't make all women who vote racists.
I'll probably add more to this later. *wink*
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:14 pm
I'm about 50/50 on PP. As a pro-lifer it's hard to be completely cozy with any organization which advocates abortion, just like I doubt you'd be completely hunky-dory with an organization which was anti-abortion, no matter what they did good for the world.
That aside the PP near where I lived before I moved here to Newfoundland, was in Halifax. I lived in Dartmouth and was a full time student. Their hours were horrible, I think one day a week they were open late enough for me to go after school, and even still you had to book an appointment 3 weeks to a month in advance.
The birth control there costs $10 a month, as opposed to my doctor who gives out birth control for free to people who can't afford it. Especially to teens who don't want to put it on their parents medical plan, and so can't afford it.
Also they charge MORE for the patch than it is normally. They charge $20 a month for the patch whereas if you buy it regularly it about $58 for 3 months, and that includes taxes (which in N.S. is 14%). Not a huge amount more, but more none-the-less.
As for the condoms, every highschool in Halifax/Dartmouth has a health centre which provides free condoms, tampons, deodorant, pregnancy testing etc.
So really the only thing PP has a purpose for near where I live is for people who don't know better (in terms of birth control), or for people who want STI (they're not called STDs in Canada, anymore) testing and don't want to go to their doctor for whatever reason.
Edit: I almost forgot, across Canada as well for medical services you need your provincal health card (Nova Scotia health card for example) and so if you're younger that can pose a problem because generally speaking your parents are the holders of your card. Whereas if you go to a family doctor they have all of your medical information on file already. Atleast that was an issue that I ran into.
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:45 am
I get the Pill free on the NHS, thankfully. Since I'm under 19 and still in full time education they give it to me free, and they don't even have to tell my parents. Which is good. : D
We don't have an equivalent to PP over here. The closest you can get are the "Young People's Clinics", which are fairly sporadic but offer advice on various different things, such as STI testing and different types of birth control. I'm fairly sure they offer advice to people who are pregnant and don't know what to do.
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:06 am
Beware the Jabberwock I'm about 50/50 on PP. As a pro-lifer it's hard to be completely cozy with any organization which advocates abortion, just like I doubt you'd be completely hunky-dory with an organization which was anti-abortion, no matter what they did good for the world. I suppose I would always somewhat distrust an organization which was very strongly Pro-Life, at least I would trust them about anything to do with my (hypothetical) pregnancies. Though I do like the idea of emergency pregnancy clinics for people who are not looking to abort their pregnancies. Anyone who is unexpectedly pregnant, no matter what option(s) they are considering, can really use some advice. I've heard the occasional unconfirmed rumor that such clinics will attempt to keep people (usually minors) from getting abortions when they desire them, but I have never found a reliable source for such accusations, so I do not believe them at this time. I wouldn't go to such a clinic, because with a pregnancy I would either abort, or simply talk with my family about having a baby once I am ready to do so. But I think that there are many scared women who do need someone outside their family to talk to, and I'm glad that there are people who are at least making an effort to help them.
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:56 am
WatersMoon110 Beware the Jabberwock I'm about 50/50 on PP. As a pro-lifer it's hard to be completely cozy with any organization which advocates abortion, just like I doubt you'd be completely hunky-dory with an organization which was anti-abortion, no matter what they did good for the world. I suppose I would always somewhat distrust an organization which was very strongly Pro-Life, at least I would trust them about anything to do with my (hypothetical) pregnancies. Though I do like the idea of emergency pregnancy clinics for people who are not looking to abort their pregnancies. Anyone who is unexpectedly pregnant, no matter what option(s) they are considering, can really use some advice. I've heard the occasional unconfirmed rumor that such clinics will attempt to keep people (usually minors) from getting abortions when they desire them, but I have never found a reliable source for such accusations, so I do not believe them at this time. I wouldn't go to such a clinic, because with a pregnancy I would either abort, or simply talk with my family about having a baby once I am ready to do so. But I think that there are many scared women who do need someone outside their family to talk to, and I'm glad that there are people who are at least making an effort to help them.
I attempted to volunteer at Birthright last year (unfortunitally like PP their hours are horrible, making it impossible for a full time student to volunteer there) and so I got a little booklet of their 'Charter'. One thing that bothered me about it was you weren't supposed to talk to the women about birth control because it promoted 'pre-marital sex'. Knowing me I would be breaking that rule left-right-and centre.
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:25 pm
I don't know if I would take their birth control or condoms for free, I heard some of the stuff is crap so I would be afraid to try theirs.
I rather get mine from Kaiser Permadente, I have to pay more but I trust it and we don't have a PP here any or any free clinics anyways (well I have birth control to help with hormones and had to see a doctor about that).
But if we did have a place like that and they had the kind the doctor recomended and it was cheap or free then I would get it there I guess.
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:43 pm
I don't trust an orgination that tells 12 year old children that "if they feel ready for sex then they are" (personal experience from two volenteers as well as form one of their sites)
I hate their information on their boards concernign pregnancy and child care, as though its the worst thing in the world and that a teenagers entire life will end because of it.
I don't trust an orginasation who gives away some of the lowest grade condoms on the market, promoting them as "safe and reliable." When information gets out about how unsafe and unreliable they are, they prefomr their own tests and come out saying their is nothign wrogn with them. When asked to show thier findings and results, they refused.
I also do not trust an orginisation that alighns itself with another orginisations that claims to have on record several million incidents of pro-life violence, the vast majroity of these incidents being pickiting, passing out pamphlets, and prayer vigils out side of clinics.
The only thing good they have going for them is sex ed, they have okay program.
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:22 am
Apparently, different Planned Parenthoods differ wildly in their quality of services. I didn't know that.
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:48 pm
An orginisation spread out like theirs will of coarse differ. I compare it to fast food. Some places are going to have great service, others are goign to be absolute s**t.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:43 pm
Tiger of the Fire An orginisation spread out like theirs will of coarse differ. I compare it to fast food. Some places are going to have great service, others are goign to be absolute s**t. Yeah, that makes sense. I guess I always just assumed that most Planned Parenthoods were just like the ones I've been to, which is in reality far from the truth.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:09 pm
The scary part is that their offices arn't really held to any sort of standard regulation. All they seem to follow is "don't break the law...or atleast don't get caught." (considering there have been several reports of PP orginisations helping teenagers around parental conscent laws or turnign a blind eye to minors having sexual relations with men twice thier age, which of coarse is illigle and should be reported ASAP)
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:53 am
Tiger of the Fire The scary part is that their offices arn't really held to any sort of standard regulation. All they seem to follow is "don't break the law...or atleast don't get caught." (considering there have been several reports of PP orginisations helping teenagers around parental conscent laws or turnign a blind eye to minors having sexual relations with men twice thier age, which of coarse is illigle and should be reported ASAP) Apparently, the majority of states with Parental Consent Laws don't enforce them. I can't imagine not turning in someone for statutory rape though. Anyone above the age of consent just shouldn't be having sexual relations with anyone below it, let alone be getting someone below the age pregnant and taking her in for an abortion. I know in Florida there have been a lot of issues with getting any sort of standard for abortion clinics in general, let alone holding clinics to some standard. I do believe that other states do have guidelines for clinics, but not all of those states enforce the guidelines. Statutory rape and/or child abuse (since I think it might be considered child abuse?) legally has to be reported.
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:30 am
Its both. Its statatury rape because you have a 21 year old guy having sex with a 16 year old girl. Its child abuse because the parents arnt doign anything about it, if they know.
The states that have parental consent laws do inforce them when you have honost individuals who actualy call the parents when they hear the child is tryign to obtain an abortion, most of the time though every one is trying to help her get around the law.
If Lymelady were on, you could ask her about that. Out of curitosity and for a report (I beleive) she called her local planned parenthood, claiming to be a scared pregnant teen looking to get an abortion, and they pretty much told her how to get arounc parental conscent laws (Even though Maryland has none)
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:48 am
All I know about parental consent laws is that there is a big US map that shows which states have them, and if they are fully enforced. I suppose that the problem of enforcement comes from clinics not telling parents as well as law officials not checking on clinics. http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=6838815I was going to right about Parental Exceptions, but thought it was a strong enough topic to have it's own thread. The way I figure it: more threads = more discussion = more Gaians in here (eventually).
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:29 pm
Yeah, I've seen that one. There are a few prolife sites that have them and love it as well as pro-choice sites that have it and hate it.
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