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 Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:54 am
JCFreak777 The one talking about using the rod on the child or something like that. do you have teh exact book/chapter/verse? If we know exactly where, that helps. Besides, the Old Testament is pretty violent. If you think that verse is bad, think of the one stating that parents can take their children to the city gates and have them stoned to death for misbehaviour.
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:38 pm
Actually that verse is using sheep as an example of parenthood. It was known then that sheep who wandered too close to the edge would put themselves in danger. The rod would be used to bring them back to the flock. Now two things to note though about this are ... 1. the sheep was in danger before the rod was used 2. The shepherd did not neccessarily HIT the animal with the rod in every case, but used it to guide the sheep back. Honestly people who use that passage to justify hitting thier children have completely no sense when it comes to interpretation of scripture. Do I think sometimes it may be necessary to spank? Perhaps, however, not in every case and not for all instances of disobediance. It was always used to re-unite the animal with it's flock. Not to beat it into submission.
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:17 am
my answer to your question is a big YES. Why? Some people try to manipulate the scripture so it would apply to them. They don't let God speak to them through the Bible. Some take the meaning of the verses literally, while some take a portion of the scripture and use it to give their own philosophy or meaning. They want to explain it the way they want it to be.
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:29 pm
2 Samuel 7:14 (New International Version)
I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with the rod of men, with floggings inflicted by men.
I looked it up on BibleGateway.com.....is this the verse you are talking about?
Heres where it comes from: (It's Gods promise to David)
" 'The LORD declares to you that the LORD himself will establish a house for you: 12 When your days are over and you rest with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, who will come from your own body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with the rod of men, with floggings inflicted by men. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever.' "
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:12 am
There's also a verse that alot of people like to take out of context is when Jesus said that He would give us anything if we ask in His name. That's not really what it says, it's something about how if it's in God's will.
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:01 pm
Can and is the Bible misinterpreted? Absolutely. When I was going through my little Christian phase, I was actually told that the Bible is up to your own interpretation. I don't know if that's right, but it's what I was told.
As for the thing about the rod and the kid...that obviously means to punish your child accordingly. I don't think it literally means to beat your child with a rod. Punishment is one thing. Personally, if my child needs a swat on the arse, he/she is going to get it. With my hand, and no other object. I got the leather belt and the wooden spoon my fair share of times, and I would never inflict that on my kid. I personally think that anymore than three swats on the backside in one spanking is abuse. One, two or three are perfectly fine. WITH YOUR HAND!!!!!! No objects. Unfortunately, with todays laws, even looking at your child with the intent to spank them is gonna land you behind bars. Which is dumb. Anyway. Off topic. I do think that particular verse is taken way out of context sometimes.
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:06 pm
Pretty well every verse in the bible has, and will be, taken out of context. I use one most of the time. Whenever I am asked why I don't believe in god, and what I think, I always use the same verse. Exodus 3:14; 'I am that I am.' It works for me. Yes, it is taken out of context. Yes, it annoys them when I do it. I find it funny as poo. They usually go something like, 'How can you use holy text to justify yourself?' To which I respond, 'How can you?'
But anyway. Kinda off topic.
But seriously. I stand by my very first comment on this particular happenstance...Superior Jazz Do I think god can do anything... no. This quasi-real, insubstantiative 'entity' can do no more blow over an ant as create a universe. Cynic? No. Atheist.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:36 am
Arianah Actually that verse is using sheep as an example of parenthood. It was known then that sheep who wandered too close to the edge would put themselves in danger. The rod would be used to bring them back to the flock. Now two things to note though about this are ... 1. the sheep was in danger before the rod was used 2. The shepherd did not neccessarily HIT the animal with the rod in every case, but used it to guide the sheep back. Honestly people who use that passage to justify hitting thier children have completely no sense when it comes to interpretation of scripture. Do I think sometimes it may be necessary to spank? Perhaps, however, not in every case and not for all instances of disobediance. It was always used to re-unite the animal with it's flock. Not to beat it into submission. Arianah makes a very good point here. I did look up the verse as well and here is the one I think may be the one you are all talking about. Proverbs 13:24 says: He who spares his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him promptly. No I don't think this means beating the child. We serve a loveing God. Why would he promote abuse? But I do think he wants us to raise up our children to be God fearing Christians and to do so does at times requires discipline. I do not agree with abuse, however I think there are times a good swat on the backside is in order. Now to get to the question, can people read scripture and misunderstand what is being said? Definately! But if you continue to read the scripture and study it, God reveals to us what he wants us to know at that time. The more we know and study the more God reveals to us what we need to grow.
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:25 am
Superior Jazz Pretty well every verse in the bible has, and will be, taken out of context. I use one most of the time. Whenever I am asked why I don't believe in god, and what I think, I always use the same verse. Exodus 3:14; 'I am that I am.' It works for me. Yes, it is taken out of context. Yes, it annoys them when I do it. I find it funny as poo. They usually go something like, 'How can you use holy text to justify yourself?' To which I respond, 'How can you?'
But anyway. Kinda off topic.
But seriously. I stand by my very first comment on this particular happenstance...Superior Jazz Do I think god can do anything... no. This quasi-real, insubstantiative 'entity' can do no more blow over an ant as create a universe. Cynic? No. Atheist. so you use a verse that says he can do anything??? I don't understand the logic behind it?
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:04 am
RavenclawGreat Superior Jazz Pretty well every verse in the bible has, and will be, taken out of context. I use one most of the time. Whenever I am asked why I don't believe in god, and what I think, I always use the same verse. Exodus 3:14; 'I am that I am.' It works for me. Yes, it is taken out of context. Yes, it annoys them when I do it. I find it funny as poo. They usually go something like, 'How can you use holy text to justify yourself?' To which I respond, 'How can you?'
But anyway. Kinda off topic.
But seriously. I stand by my very first comment on this particular happenstance...Superior Jazz Do I think god can do anything... no. This quasi-real, insubstantiative 'entity' can do no more blow over an ant as create a universe. Cynic? No. Atheist. so you use a verse that says he can do anything??? I don't understand the logic behind it?
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