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mikhailxyohman
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:03 pm


Was 9/11 a conspiracy?


Try watching this; Then you tell me what you think, and if you've already seen this, please discuss.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:11 pm


As of right now, I really don't know what to think. I've seen that video before, and I know it's very convincing, but I don't think Bush can pull off a stunt like that, since he's a retard and all...

But I'm closer to it was a conspiracy than it wasn't.

Ensigma


DaxCordite

PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:38 am


I really really hate these theroies. For starters it's honestly really illogical. This idea that the US carried out an attack on it's own citizens is just silly no Government official other than a total nutjob would ever risk it for the simple fact if the truth came out they'd be politically dead.

There was nothing to be gained by the 9/11 attacks. OUr Actions in Iraq have not given us more Oil or anything of the sort. All they've done is allow the Iraq Oil fully back onto the market Under the control of Iraq's provisional government.

Unfortunately Conspiracy Theroies are a fact of life anytime a amjor shockign event happens some people feel the need to make these things up. AT times there may be truth to them but Nothing I have ever seen in any of the 9/11 Conspiracies makes a bit of sense.

Maybe if the US didn't have Term Limits I could see it(as in 4-8 years someone else gets the job). Or if our Invasion of Iraq and Afganistan were for permenant Ocupation and control but Neither is the case.

In both Cases the plan is to eventually pull out when the New Governments are fully established.

Honestly I find the entire Idea of 9/11 being a conspiracy rediculess and more than likely will think that way until the day I die.

Also Loose Change is a joke. The Moment they started declaring Popular Mechanics to be working with the government for running articles that offers information that contradicts thier claims they revealed htemself to be just another conspiracy theroiest group with the If your not with us your against us attitude.

Most Conspiracy theroies are done with Shoddy research anyway since they have the conclusion they want in thier head and then only look at the data that supports thier view.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:29 pm


Isn't the official 9/11 story a good enough conspiracy to begin with? An Islamic terrorist group, angered by American presence in the Middle East and Palestinian affairs, formulate a plan to hijack American commecial planes and fly them into important landmarks and systematically carry it out. That, by definition, is a conspiracy.

"Loose Change," however, is bullshit.

DaxCordite
Maybe if the US didn't have Term Limits I could see it(as in 4-8 years someone else gets the job). Or if our Invasion of Iraq and Afganistan were for permenant Ocupation and control but Neither is the case.

In both Cases the plan is to eventually pull out when the New Governments are fully established.


Of course, conspiracy theorists would tie such a conspiracy in with bullshit about many major politicians belonging to the same exact freemasons and secret societies and that even replacement leaders are in on the whole scheme the original leader established.

However, the fact remains that:

(1) "Loose Change's" tactic of zooming in on already grainy digital footage does not prove that there was an explosion before the planes hit the towers.

(2) The idea that the American government could orchestrate an attack against its own people yet somehow leave their tracks uncovered for a meer college student to piece together the entire plot is baffling.

(3) The idea that the American government could orchestrate an attack against its own people and sell the story that Islamic terrorists are responsible for the entire thing but fail to kill a meer college student who uncovers the real conspiracy is baffling.

The_Wicked_Man


DaxCordite

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:02 am


The_Wicked_Man
Isn't the official 9/11 story a good enough conspiracy to begin with? An Islamic terrorist group, angered by American presence in the Middle East and Palestinian affairs, formulate a plan to hijack American commecial planes and fly them into important landmarks and systematically carry it out. That, by definition, is a conspiracy.

"Loose Change," however, is bullshit.

DaxCordite
Maybe if the US didn't have Term Limits I could see it(as in 4-8 years someone else gets the job). Or if our Invasion of Iraq and Afganistan were for permenant Ocupation and control but Neither is the case.

In both Cases the plan is to eventually pull out when the New Governments are fully established.


Of course, conspiracy theorists would tie such a conspiracy in with bullshit about many major politicians belonging to the same exact freemasons and secret societies and that even replacement leaders are in on the whole scheme the original leader established.

However, the fact remains that:

(1) "Loose Change's" tactic of zooming in on already grainy digital footage does not prove that there was an explosion before the planes hit the towers.

(2) The idea that the American government could orchestrate an attack against its own people yet somehow leave their tracks uncovered for a meer college student to piece together the entire plot is baffling.

(3) The idea that the American government could orchestrate an attack against its own people and sell the story that Islamic terrorists are responsible for the entire thing but fail to kill a meer college student who uncovers the real conspiracy is baffling.


I was attempting to be fair to those who believe in conspiracy theroies of the "Evil Government type."

IN truth all the reasons you've stated perfectly dismiss most of them.

Now before anyone gets annoyed I'm not saying Conspiracies don't happen. They do just in most cases they are eventually exposed by reputeble people doing well documented and extensive research not random folks using shoddy research methods.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:45 pm


I really hate American's love affair with conspiracy theories. You know, not everything has to be a conspiracy, you know? I'm pretty sure 9/11 happened pretty closely to the way it happened. I'm sure publicity and the government may have tweaked a few things, but I think they're also pretty honest with us in some ways.

freelance lover


Spirit_of_Yarn

PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:54 am


thelovelyLIZ
I really hate American's love affair with conspiracy theories. You know, not everything has to be a conspiracy, you know? I'm pretty sure 9/11 happened pretty closely to the way it happened. I'm sure publicity and the government may have tweaked a few things, but I think they're also pretty honest with us in some ways.


Exactly. Americans are obsessed with the fact that everthing must be a conspiracy to hide things from the general public. A perfect examle of this is Area 51. Everything the goverment has hidden about 9/11 is to protect the general public, and ensure that our countries secrets aren't shared with ever Joe Smith on the corner.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:21 pm


It's because things have happened in America for people to lose the respect and trust in their own government. There are also many other nations that have conspiracy groups in their countries.

mikhailxyohman
Crew


lllllZerolllll

PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:04 pm


My opinion is that it was not a conspirecy (or however you spell it) but I'v heard lots of things about how Bush could have done things to prevent it, and how he and the government basicly knew it was gonna happen, but kinda sat there.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:40 pm


i have heard that 9/11 was a conspiracy by the military. but if that were the case then why whould they target the pentagon?

hoshnobobo


lllllZerolllll

PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:15 pm


simply because its not true
PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:19 pm


Are you guys serious. Bush couldn't prevent it from happening. For God's sake they were in Airplanes! Someone please tell me how they're suppose to take down the airplanes without any technicalities.

Or, how could they have stopped the hi-jackers from boarding the planes? I don't think they could decline boarding to all Arab looking people.


Bush did a great job of cleaning up the mess that was unavoidable.

mikhailxyohman
Crew


Lord of the Azure Sky

PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:41 pm


I've watched a longer, more detailed movie about the 9/11 conspiracy. It goes and does frame by frame of the crash and examines a LOT of things about it. I think it's a conspiracy..but I can't think of a purpose for why
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:37 am


I doubt it. Who would kill that many people and cause that much damage just so they can go into a war that most people already support?

Laticlavius


Laticlavius

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:43 am


mikhailxyohman
Are you guys serious. Bush couldn't prevent it from happening. For God's sake they were in Airplanes! Someone please tell me how they're suppose to take down the airplanes without any technicalities.

Or, how could they have stopped the hi-jackers from boarding the planes? I don't think they could decline boarding to all Arab looking people.


Bush did a great job of cleaning up the mess that was unavoidable.


I don't think bush really did that much. It was mainly just Gulianni and disaster response people. (This is stupid, because cleaning up after Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans didn't go very well emergency response teams get blamed (his fault for having the national guard in Iraq) and for doing a good job after 9/11 Bush gets the credit (he did absolutely nothing but say we needed to destroy all of Iraq because some insane people, who definitely were not representatives of Iraq, destroyed the twin towers))
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