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 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:03 am
I've been doing a bit of reaserch for a character of mine, my inital concept was to have him be a very effective in-figther with a knife of some sort, so natrually I chose the Khukuri, I was then informed bya friend for him to reasonably be able to utilize the blade effectvily, he should also be skilled in a martial art called Bando. My initial reaction to that was 'What the heck is Bando?" so I went to the almighty source that is Google, and ulitimatly, Wikipedia. This is what I found. Wikipedia Bando is the official Burmese martial art which is modelled after the widely popular and effective Muay Thai, but while Muay Thai is called "the science of the eight limbs" (fists, elbows, shins, feet) Bando is the science of the nine limbs, because it also includes head-butts. Sport Muay Thai made head butts illegal for health reasons and the welfare of the athletes. So with my admittadly limited knowladge, of Muay Thai, I was intruged and decided to read over the Wiki entry for Muay Thai, found here. Wikipedia Entry - Muay ThaiNow with this and assorted other reaserch, I have discovered not only is traditional Muay Thay incredably brutal and viscous in its nautre and execution, but apparently Bando is even moreso, I've foudn sites hinting that the Famous Ghurka Brigade, some of the most legendary Troops in european military history, was trained specifcally in Bando and Khukuri figthing, along with the general rifle drills, since the mid 1860's. There are several documented accounts of a Ghurka wading into three or four german troops armed with Bayonets with only his Khukuri and easily killing them all during WWII. So my discussion her eis what is your feeligns and knowladge on this obscure art? Do you find the even more violent nature unappealing, or does the thought of being able to use every extremity of your body as a weapon tickle your desctrutive urges? Post yoru thoughts and knowladge here.
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:01 pm
Honestly, the only time i think that a headbutt would be effective in Muay Thai/Bando fights would be in the Thai Clinch. I've also heard of incidents where Bando fighters were pretty much taught to be anti-muay thai. They'd BREAK thai fighters shins with their elbows. But other than that, not many people really choose to talk about bando. They pretty much just lump them together.
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:19 pm
Meh... I dunno about that source of information. The thing is, Burma and Siam have been warring for ages. All these stories get made up about this over that, and that over this.... when it comes to Burmese being more violent than Thais, and vice versa. It all comes down to pride between the 2 countries. I mean one of Thailand's great cultural stories is about a Thai King whom was captured by Burmese, and had to defeat 50 (can't remember the number exactly) Burmese boxers before he was allowed to return home.
Mirko, I don't know about no Burmese Boxers breaking Thai limbs, that sounds a little far fetched.
Anyways... In the Thaiboxing I've been taught headbutts, shoulder butts, and alot of other little tricks that go on inside a clinch. And while they may not be "official" rules, the stuff still happens anyways.
All in all, it sounds like a purely biased article. Comparing the art with Thaiboxing, and then stating that its more violent, is purely a pride issue. From what I've seen of Burmese Boxing, it looks like sloppy Thaiboxing to me.
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:27 pm
Thunder Foot Meh... I dunno about that source of information. The thing is, Burma and Siam have been warring for ages. All these stories get made up about this over that, and that over this.... when it comes to Burmese being more violent than Thais, and vice versa. It all comes down to pride between the 2 countries. I mean one of Thailand's great cultural stories is about a Thai King whom was captured by Burmese, and had to defeat 50 (can't remember the number exactly) Burmese boxers before he was allowed to return home. Mirko, I don't know about no Burmese Boxers breaking Thai limbs, that sounds a little far fetched. Anyways... In the Thaiboxing I've been taught headbutts, shoulder butts, and alot of other little tricks that go on inside a clinch. And while they may not be "official" rules, the stuff still happens anyways. All in all, it sounds like a purely biased article. Comparing the art with Thaiboxing, and then stating that its more violent, is purely a pride issue. From what I've seen of Burmese Boxing, it looks like sloppy Thaiboxing to me. I thought it sounded a tad ... far fetched too. But when i thought about it.. it's possible. But highly unlikely. It'd have to be a high kick and the elbow would have to be perfectly timed.
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:55 pm
Mirko_Filipovic I thought it sounded a tad ... far fetched too. But when i thought about it.. it's possible. But highly unlikely. It'd have to be a high kick and the elbow would have to be perfectly timed. Even then homie, I doubt an elbow would be breaking a shin... more like the other way around. I mean, shin to shin is possible, if the tool isn't conditioned right.... but elbow to shin? Especially a conditioned shin with a nicec edge on it?? I think an elbow would probably be taking the worst of the exchange. Just my opinion though, I haven't had the graceful opportunity to act out such a scenario... hehe.
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:12 pm
Shin to shin makes sense, I saw a kickboxing mishap vid, where the guy shin broke in half, his leg flailing like play d'oh. Very very painful.
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:35 pm
Thunder Foot Mirko_Filipovic I thought it sounded a tad ... far fetched too. But when i thought about it.. it's possible. But highly unlikely. It'd have to be a high kick and the elbow would have to be perfectly timed. Even then homie, I doubt an elbow would be breaking a shin... more like the other way around. I mean, shin to shin is possible, if the tool isn't conditioned right.... but elbow to shin? Especially a conditioned shin with a nicec edge on it?? I think an elbow would probably be taking the worst of the exchange. Just my opinion though, I haven't had the graceful opportunity to act out such a scenario... hehe. Well if the elbow is going down on it... (hehe... going down on it...lol) then it could easily break it. But the physics of that.... don't really work. And i still think it COULD happen.. I mean... i've seen wierder things
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:30 pm
Thunder Foot Anyways... In the Thaiboxing I've been taught headbutts, shoulder butts, and alot of other little tricks that go on inside a clinch. And while they may not be "official" rules, the stuff still happens anyways. Yes, I've learned headbutts and soulderbutts in my muay thai class, too. There's a misconception about the headbutts though because most people think about the Van-damme style headbutts where you just swing your forehead into theirs; which is simply not how it's done (unless you want to break your head along with theirs). I, myself was taught a kind of squat-thrust way of headbutting, if that makes any sense. Kinda like a battering ram made of your head and supported my your neck and back where you squat under the guys head, then push up against either his face or chin.
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:48 pm
The Perennial Thunder Foot Anyways... In the Thaiboxing I've been taught headbutts, shoulder butts, and alot of other little tricks that go on inside a clinch. And while they may not be "official" rules, the stuff still happens anyways. Yes, I've learned headbutts and soulderbutts in my muay thai class, too. There's a misconception about the headbutts though because most people think about the Van-damme style headbutts where you just swing your forehead into theirs; which is simply not how it's done (unless you want to break your head along with theirs). I, myself was taught a kind of squat-thrust way of headbutting, if that makes any sense. Kinda like a battering ram made of your head and supported my your neck and back where you squat under the guys head, then push up against either his face or chin. No, that makes perfect sense. We tend to aim for the nose/bridge area with that headbutt. But along with upward headbutts, i've also been taught downward headbutts as well. I've only been taught in the clinch, as thats usually the distance to land them effectively... and the strtiking surface is the side of the forehead. Hell, I've even been taught hipbutts... where you take the inside line on the clinch with the lead leg, and sneak in a side hipshot to the opponents groin, usually followed up by a nice knee. Very subtle and illegal, but effective in the clinch.
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:09 pm
Thunder Foot The Perennial Thunder Foot Anyways... In the Thaiboxing I've been taught headbutts, shoulder butts, and alot of other little tricks that go on inside a clinch. And while they may not be "official" rules, the stuff still happens anyways. Yes, I've learned headbutts and soulderbutts in my muay thai class, too. There's a misconception about the headbutts though because most people think about the Van-damme style headbutts where you just swing your forehead into theirs; which is simply not how it's done (unless you want to break your head along with theirs). I, myself was taught a kind of squat-thrust way of headbutting, if that makes any sense. Kinda like a battering ram made of your head and supported my your neck and back where you squat under the guys head, then push up against either his face or chin. No, that makes perfect sense. We tend to aim for the nose/bridge area with that headbutt. But along with upward headbutts, i've also been taught downward headbutts as well. I've only been taught in the clinch, as thats usually the distance to land them effectively... and the strtiking surface is the side of the forehead. Hell, I've even been taught hipbutts... where you take the inside line on the clinch with the lead leg, and sneak in a side hipshot to the opponents groin, usually followed up by a nice knee. Very subtle and illegal, but effective in the clinch. Yeah, I had an arguement in some thread about how to effectively throw a headbutt. Pretty much ended with someone explaining how to actually do, which is how both of you explained. Also. Besides the clinch, the headbutt is EXTREMELY effective when in someone's guard. You can just tie up their arms and control them and effectively just headbutt them into .. bolivian as Mike tyson would say.
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