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 Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:18 pm
Luke 23:43 "Jesus answered him, 'I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."
Paradise is a section of hell separated from the rest by a large gulf or canyon. It isn't heaven, but it's a place made for the rightous until Jesus came and took them to heaven with Him as a great cloud of witnesses. So technically He did decend, just not the part of hell that most people refer to.
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:56 pm
The passage where paradise is mentioned as a section of hell is in Luke 16: 19-31.
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:24 pm
lifeistupid429 we were workin on interpreting this one part of the Great Gatsby in American Lit, nd it was talking about how Jay saw himself as the son of God, and we started to talk about Jesus, and one thing led to another. When Jesus died on the cross, did he go to hell for three days before he was resurrected? Proof: 1)The Apostle's Creed I believe in God, the Father Almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord: Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell. The third day He arose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty, whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. 2)Technically hell doesn't exist yet. It won't exist until Jesus comes back to Earth. Right now all we have is Hades, but people are constanly calling it hell, so that became an improper synanym for it. 3)The Catholic Church believes Jesus went to purgatory. The Bible says in some places that he went to the place with the tortured tormented souls. I found a couple bible verses but I won't post them here. Not yet anyways. 4)As of right now, I think Jesus went to Hades for three days before he rose again, but I just wanted to get other opinions.
I don't see why Jesus going to Hell isn't a possibility.
I think what you are all missing is the fact that there is no "kind of Hell" and no "kind of heaven" there is Hell. And then there is Heaven. And when Jesus spoke of paradise he wasn't referring to a beach with palm trees, he was referring to Heaven of course!
I don't see how "hell" doesn't exist yet. Of course it did! As soon as the angel Satan disobeyed God there was hell, and he became its king. There has been Hell since before the beginning I'm afraid...the snake in the Garden of Eden is proof of this.
But you know what, I am only 14, and you are all probably only 14-19 or 20. The only people we can turn to for the Truth is God and a pastor. Simple as that. wink
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:29 pm
my thoughts are, when you dead, you either in heaven or hell. I know he wasn't in heaven when he died because he rose from his grave, so he was in hell.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:34 am
stone_angel4 And I agree. I don't know if this is true, but I believe Jesus NEEDED to go to Hell in order for our sins to be completely thrown away and in the past. Because, Jesus came to Earth to live as we do, save our souls, and give us the choice for eternal life. In order for this to happen, he needed to go through everything we should go through because of our sin; but because of Him we do NOT have to go through it because of our sin. because through Christ our sins will be forgiven if we believe.
I don't see why Jesus going to Hell isn't a possibility.
I think what you are all missing is the fact that there is no "kind of Hell" and no "kind of heaven" there is Hell. And then there is Heaven. And when Jesus spoke of paradise he wasn't referring to a beach with palm trees, he was referring to Heaven of course!
I don't see how "hell" doesn't exist yet. Of course it did! As soon as the angel Satan disobeyed God there was hell, and he became its king. There has been Hell since before the beginning I'm afraid...the snake in the Garden of Eden is proof of this.
But you know what, I am only 14, and you are all probably only 14-19 or 20. The only people we can turn to for the Truth is God and a pastor. Simple as that. wink Jesus did NOT need to go to hell in order for our redemption to be made possible. Everything that needed to be done was done on the cross, at the very last moment before He died. This is why He shouted, "It is finished." God's need of sacrifice was made complete; His judgement was satisfied. No more sacrifice for sins. Jesus was that sacrifice. Paradise was a holding place for those with faith in their hearts. People with no faith in their haearts went to Hades, a holding place. Hades is also called Sheol in the old testament, and a few places say that God is there (God is omnipresent, afterall!). The souls in Hades are ones that have rejected God deliberately. This place is still open for business; people still go there when they die if they have not accepted Jesus. (I think, but I'm not sure on this one because of Revelation 20:13).
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:19 am
There haas always been a hell, or at least as long as religion has been around there has been on. Hades is the Underworld, which is in itws own way, hell.
Jesus probably did go to Hell. I presonally have no belief that Jesus was divine but yeh, it says he did go to Hell, and that means he went there as a symbolic way of carrying all our sins with him and with the sins of the wolrd on his shoulders, that means EVERY SIN, he would first go to Hell to pay for the sins of the world, and then he was clean of them and was then ressurected in three days and after that ascended iunto heaven. You have to realize that its a symbolic thing, him going to Hell, because it is said he was cruxcified and he wiped the slate clean for everyone in terms of sins. he carried ecvery single sin every singele persoon in the world commited with hima nd the enourmous weight and they would range from white lies to heinous acts, he would have to had gone to Hell in order to be there to pay our debts for us. In his going to Hell he wiped the slate clean because he took our much deserved punishments for us and was then cleansed of all the sins of the world and then ressurected so he could mingle one last time and then, since he was clean and "pure" he could then go to Heaven and sit at the righ thand of the Father.
Thats how its supposed to be read. Its a symbolic thing, the bible.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:34 pm
I'm glad to see few here have done their theology but many here are creating blasphemy to the highest. I would be careful if I were some of you in your thinking. What Orizion said was correct; "Everything that needed to be done was done on the cross, at the very last moment before He died."
1 Corinthians 15:3
(v.3) For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures.
Christ did not go to Hell for are sins.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:29 pm
I know Jesus died for our sins, and he says himself to the robber that he will be in Paradise (Luke 23:43). But does it anywhere in the Bible explain what or where Paradise is supposed to be?
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