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 Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:12 am
I am a stanch pro-lifer. I only believe in it in the case that the mothers life is in danger. Some circumstances that pro-lifers use as an exception are in cases of rape and incest. I understand the justification with the rape issue, even though I don't agree with it. However, I don't understand the reasoning for incest. When you say incest, you mean consensual adult incest. If it isn't consensual incest, it is rape. There is no need to call it incest, in this case, if you are referring un-consensual sex. Notice how people don't say exceptions are statutory rape and rape? Because it is automatically generalized in this debate. Why allow it with incest? Is it because that the unborn could be handicapped? The handicapped have the right to life as well. Should we have abortions for all those who will be born with physical and mental disabilities? From the pro-life standpoint, there really is no reason for abortion in the case of incest unless you condone the killing of all unborns’ with physical and mental disabilities.
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:30 am
I don't even know the reasoning behind incest, but I think there is none. Whether or not the baby will be deformed doesn't matter to me.
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:49 am
Lorysa I don't even know the reasoning behind incest, but I think there is none. Whether or not the baby will be deformed doesn't matter to me. So you are like me? Incest is not an excuse?
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:21 pm
My Conscience Lorysa I don't even know the reasoning behind incest, but I think there is none. Whether or not the baby will be deformed doesn't matter to me. So you are like me? Incest is not an excuse?
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:43 pm
Lorysa My Conscience Lorysa I don't even know the reasoning behind incest, but I think there is none. Whether or not the baby will be deformed doesn't matter to me. So you are like me? Incest is not an excuse? Wait, wait, wait gonk Deformities is a reason for an abortion? That just isn't fair. Don't the deformed have a right to life as well?
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:02 pm
My Conscience Lorysa My Conscience Lorysa I don't even know the reasoning behind incest, but I think there is none. Whether or not the baby will be deformed doesn't matter to me. So you are like me? Incest is not an excuse? Wait, wait, wait gonk Deformities is a reason for an abortion? That just isn't fair. Don't the deformed have a right to life as well?
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:50 pm
My Conscience Lorysa I don't even know the reasoning behind incest, but I think there is none. Whether or not the baby will be deformed doesn't matter to me. So you are like me? Incest is not an excuse? I don't think so, if the mother is healthy and not dying and the baby is going to live then I see no reason to abort, the fetus is still a fetus like all the others, it had nothing to do with it. They can give it up for adoption in hope that it my get a nice family to care of it. If they hate adoption, why not help them fix it up instead of complaining for once? At least they might have a chance at happiness where in abortion there is no chance at all To me that is just another selfish reason for the woman to rid of responabilty or to abort cause they just don't want it or it's not 100% perfect which no one is anyways. I also hate the fact that some people want it to be allowed to kill deformed or disabled babies after their born, that is just so wrong.
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:58 pm
Lorysa My Conscience Lorysa My Conscience Lorysa I don't even know the reasoning behind incest, but I think there is none. Whether or not the baby will be deformed doesn't matter to me. So you are like me? Incest is not an excuse? Wait, wait, wait gonk Deformities is a reason for an abortion? That just isn't fair. Don't the deformed have a right to life as well? Oh, okay. Cool ^_^
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:00 pm
sachiko_sohma My Conscience Lorysa I don't even know the reasoning behind incest, but I think there is none. Whether or not the baby will be deformed doesn't matter to me. So you are like me? Incest is not an excuse? I don't think so, if the mother is healthy and not dying and the baby is going to live then I see no reason to abort, the fetus is still a fetus like all the others, it had nothing to do with it. They can give it up for adoption in hope that it my get a nice family to care of it. If they hate adoption, why not help them fix it up instead of complaining for once? At least they might have a chance at happiness where in abortion there is no chance at all To me that is just another selfish reason for the woman to rid of responabilty or to abort cause they just don't want it or it's not 100% perfect which no one is anyways. I also hate the fact that some people want it to be allowed to kill deformed or disabled babies after their born, that is just so wrong.
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:32 pm
I'm not sure why people refer to "rape AND incest" either. If incest is nonconsensual, it's rape, and if it's consensual, well, frankly, I believe it should be treated like any other consensual sex. The taboo against incest is sort of an old wives' tale spread throughout the ages as a precaution against interbreeding repeatedly within a family over several generations. *That's* when you begin to see genetic problems crop up, not in, say, children of siblings whose parents were totally unrelated.
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:22 pm
La Veuve Zin I'm not sure why people refer to "rape AND incest" either. If incest is nonconsensual, it's rape, and if it's consensual, well, frankly, I believe it should be treated like any other consensual sex. The taboo against incest is sort of an old wives' tale spread throughout the ages as a precaution against interbreeding repeatedly within a family over several generations. *That's* when you begin to see genetic problems crop up, not in, say, children of siblings whose parents were totally unrelated. Incest children do have a high chance of homozygosity. This is fact. Other than that, I agree.
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:00 am
The incest argument doesn't work. They try to justify it by claiming that the child will have health problems, but that is not always the case, especially if you conceived with a non-immediate family member, like a cousin. There are actually quite a few people who have such incest in their bloodline, like FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt’s kids and Skandar Keynes (from the Narnia movie), grandfather, I believe, was a product of incest.
My point is that saying that the abortion is justified because they may have possible health issues is like saying anyone who has a history of health issues should not give birth, and that would just end the history of man kind lol
btw, I'm not supporting incest, just trying to explain that these babies don't turn out to be mutants with legs growing out of their heads rofl
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:03 pm
Lady_Amalthea The incest argument doesn't work. They try to justify it by claiming that the child will have health problems, but that is not always the case, especially if you conceived with a non-immediate family member, like a cousin. There are actually quite a few people who have such incest in their bloodline, like FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt’s kids and Skandar Keynes (from the Narnia movie), grandfather, I believe, was a product of incest. My point is that saying that the abortion is justified because they may have possible health issues is like saying anyone who has a history of health issues should not give birth, and that would just end the history of man kind lol btw, I'm not supporting incest, just trying to explain that these babies don't turn out to be mutants with legs growing out of their heads rofl I think for some, their goal is to end all man kind. Just listen to some of their arguments they have like "anyone that is mentally disabled or phyiscally should be killed" or "the world is too over populated" and the most famous "I think it deserves a good live and I think abortion is the best for the baby cause it'll live a horrible life in adoption" See? I think they want to rid of people. And they have such bad arguments
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:36 am
Incest doesn't produce disabled children every time. If I remember correctly, there's only a 3% chance, whereas normally there's a 1% chance. Sure, three times more likely, but really . . .
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:00 pm
sachiko_sohma Lady_Amalthea The incest argument doesn't work. They try to justify it by claiming that the child will have health problems, but that is not always the case, especially if you conceived with a non-immediate family member, like a cousin. There are actually quite a few people who have such incest in their bloodline, like FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt’s kids and Skandar Keynes (from the Narnia movie), grandfather, I believe, was a product of incest. My point is that saying that the abortion is justified because they may have possible health issues is like saying anyone who has a history of health issues should not give birth, and that would just end the history of man kind lol btw, I'm not supporting incest, just trying to explain that these babies don't turn out to be mutants with legs growing out of their heads rofl I think for some, their goal is to end all man kind. Just listen to some of their arguments they have like "anyone that is mentally disabled or phyiscally should be killed" or "the world is too over populated" and the most famous "I think it deserves a good live and I think abortion is the best for the baby cause it'll live a horrible life in adoption" See? I think they want to rid of people. And they have such bad arguments well I will admit my goal is to end all mankind being as we are a race of savages who contribute nothing to the greater good of the planet..
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