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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:29 am


Poshdom
Our " Free Will " is governed by us and the physical world...

...Therefore, True " Free Will " cannot exist, as much as another me could not exsist.

Well put.

*wants people to respond to his arguments*
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:25 am


Maybe our path is picked out for us, but maybe others can be ours to?
so we choose the planned path with free will we choose what becomes of that path with our free will, just becosue its planned doesnt mean its your fate it might be someone elses choice and the fates knew it would happen just not by whom becouse of how we think and choode with free will will change which Fate is yours
does that make any sense at all??

presentiment


Bo-Bo The Great

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:35 am


Alright, you called down the thunder... Heres the boom.

Albert Einstein had a theory that though humans only use 10% of their brain, they may use more. people have 100% of a brain in their little craniums, so who's to say that we may not use all 100% of them. Einsteins theory revolved around the theory that when humans used their full brain that they would become energy and no longer need their mortal bodies. only then may we be free. only then may we go where we wish. our inner energy ((souls)) are constantly finding ways to expand and transform. slowly we are evolving and using more and more of our brains. i have found a way to focus on several different things and be able to do each individual activity well. if all people could do this, then we would be able to wright, and read, and move, and talk, and listen at the same time, and would never need to wait. i am nearer to being "free" than ever. but as I explained "we are not truly free until we are energy".


anyway... i think I've rambled enough... pick this apart, and I'll be back later.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:01 pm


Schroeders Cat. Cat in a box with a box of poisonous gas, and an amount of plutonium. Poison amount may or may not be fatal. Box is sent into space (meoooooooowww). Plutonium decays, breaks down the box with the poisonous gas inside, poison is releasd. Box brought back to earth. Before the box is opened, the cat can be either dead or alive. however once the box is opened, the cat is forced to choose one, as it is on display.

So we have the free will to choose which state we are in, but we must be in a certain state.

Reagahn

Original Lunatic


Cougar Draven

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:59 pm


Reagahn
Schroeders Cat. Cat in a box with a box of poisonous gas, and an amount of plutonium. Poison amount may or may not be . Box is sent into space (meoooooooowww). Plutonium decays, breaks down the box with the poisonous gas inside, poison is releasd. Box brought back to earth. Before the box is opened, the cat can be either or alive. however once the box is opened, the cat is forced to choose one, as it is on display.

So we have the free will to choose which state we are in, but we must be in a certain state.


Schrödinger's Cat. I used that experiment to poke holes in the Uncertainty Principle.

The cat doesn't decide whether it lives or dies, just that the laws of quantum mechanics don't allow for the waveform to collapse until the box is opened, and the experiment was slightly different when I originally read it, although this version seems to work.

I personally believe that free will is based in part off of whether we understand what we're up against. If you look at things from a pragmatic point of view, you start to study each consequence and the consequences thereof. If you're able to do that and make a decision based on that, you've exercised free will. An example of this would be the move I'm making within a week or so. I had to look deep inside, and anticipate certain things. I'll show you.

#1. I expect that I may have to spend a few nights on the street. Perhaps more than a few.
#2. My best friend (who I am relying on) may not be able to help me. Just a fact of life, people suck, and I think his dad doesn't care for me much.
#3. I may not get the first job, or perhaps the first three, that I look for.
#4. I may not be allowed to enroll in a school I already attended, on the basis of the fact that I'm over 18. (Failing this, I'll get my GED. Crappy way for a guy like me to achieve the end of school, but I'll take it.)
#5. My parents do not want me to move back, and will say everything they can to prevent it.

Having considered these five points, I've decided I'm going to throw caution to the wind. Those who don't take risks don't get rewarded for it. In a week or so, I'm moving back to Michigan, where I was born and, for the most part, raised.

So yes, free will exists. However, it exists on the condition of thought and examination.
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