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 Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:17 am
the bible says womae should have long hair as a covering and not to cover their hair because its disrespectful to god.my church follows this,and i'd love to cover myself up,i get a lot of guys pawing my hair.is it wrong as a christian to cover up altogether,or its just in church and at prayer?
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:04 pm
I've never heard of this before,...cooooolll.
where in the bible does it say that?? cause I wear cute headbands and wear what I like as long as my parents are ok with it or God descent like LOL.
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:29 am
Sweet~Latina I've never heard of this before,...cooooolll. where in the bible does it say that?? cause I wear cute headbands and wear what I like as long as my parents are ok with it or God descent like LOL. 1 corinthian 11-13..i'm sure head bands are fine.
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:00 am
PoppyDadswell Sweet~Latina I've never heard of this before,...cooooolll. where in the bible does it say that?? cause I wear cute headbands and wear what I like as long as my parents are ok with it or God descent like LOL. 1 corinthian 11-13..i'm sure head bands are fine. Headbands are fine to wear while you are not praying, but I believe in being fully covering the hair while praying. It is MEN who shouldn't cover their heads, according to 1 Corinthian woman should be covered. Yes, we have long hair that is A covering, but not THE covering, as it goes on to say that if her covering is removed, then her hair might as well be too. Kathelyne
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:20 pm
Kathelyne PoppyDadswell Sweet~Latina I've never heard of this before,...cooooolll. where in the bible does it say that?? cause I wear cute headbands and wear what I like as long as my parents are ok with it or God descent like LOL. 1 corinthian 11-13..i'm sure head bands are fine. Headbands are fine to wear while you are not praying, but I believe in being fully covering the hair while praying. It is MEN who shouldn't cover their heads, according to 1 Corinthian woman should be covered. Yes, we have long hair that is A covering, but not THE covering, as it goes on to say that if her covering is removed, then her hair might as well be too. Kathelyne interesting... my church takes it as the hair is the covering and if the hair is removed this covering is also.
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:44 pm
PoppyDadswell Kathelyne PoppyDadswell Sweet~Latina I've never heard of this before,...cooooolll. where in the bible does it say that?? cause I wear cute headbands and wear what I like as long as my parents are ok with it or God descent like LOL. 1 corinthian 11-13..i'm sure head bands are fine. Headbands are fine to wear while you are not praying, but I believe in being fully covering the hair while praying. It is MEN who shouldn't cover their heads, according to 1 Corinthian woman should be covered. Yes, we have long hair that is A covering, but not THE covering, as it goes on to say that if her covering is removed, then her hair might as well be too. Kathelyne interesting... my church takes it as the hair is the covering and if the hair is removed this covering is also. Well, thats not what the Bible says, have another read of it 11.5 "But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head was shaved 11.6 for if a woman is not covered, let her also be shorn.." Later on it mentions the hair is given as A covering, but not THE covering. If the woman is not covered, then she may as well be shorn because the covering of hair is not the covering. If THE covering was hair, then the above would make no sense, as it would be "if a woman has not hair, let it be shorn off"- you can't remove hair that isn't there. Verse five says that if a woman prays with her head uncovered, it is the same as if she was shorn. to have shorn hair was shameful for woman who kept it long- so it was just an examply of how shamful praying without a covering is. EDIT: I found an article I was looking for before http://plainlydressed.bravepages.com/headcoveringinformationfile.htmlQuote: If the Bible says it would be as shameful to be "uncovered" as it would to be "shaven," then one must ask the question..........How can you be uncovered and shaven at the same time? The Bible obviously speaks of each one as two completely different things. Notice how it says that if a woman be shaven, she sould be covered. How can you be both or not both at the same time? Quote: Why would Paul then command the woman to do what she had already done? On the other hand, if "uncovered" means "not having hair," then that verse would mean, "If a woman does not have hair, then she should cut it off," and verse 5 would say in effect, "But every woman who does not have hair on her head while praying or prophesying, disgraces her head; for she is one and the same with her whose head is shaved." The former statement is so illogical and the latter so obvious that it is difficult to imagine that Paul meant this. The "uncovered" is thus shown to mean "not having a head covering," and Paul's statement becomes the reasonable: "But every woman who does not have on a head covering while praying or prophesying, disgraces her head; for she is one and the same with her whose head is shaved. For if a woman does not have on a head covering, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her have on a head covering." This is much more logical. Quote: If you study an exhaustive concordance (with both the Greek and Hebrew translation references in the back), you will understand that the original translations of Greek used two completely different words in those verses. "Cover" ("veil"?ASV, RSV of verse 6) in verses 6 and 7 translates "katakalupto" which means "cover, veil" and in the middle voice "cover oneself." The word occurs only here in the New Testament, but it is found several times in the Greek Old Testament. It is used in Genesis 38:15 of Tamar where it is said that she had "covered" her face. It can easily be seen from the preceding verse that she did not cover her face with her hair but with a veil. Similarly the word is used in three manuscripts in Esther 6:12 where it says that Haman hurried to his house in mourning with his head "covered." Here again it is obvious that Haman had not grown his hair long to show his shame, but had thrown something over his head. Uncovered" ("unveiled"?ASV, RSV of verse 5) in verses 5 and 13 translates "akatakaluptos" which simply means "uncovered." The words "cover" in verse 6 and "covering" in verse 15 translate from two entirely different Greek words. The noun translated covering in verse 15 is not "katakalupsis" or "katakalumma," but peribolaion, which means "covering, wrap, cloak" and is described as being "an article of clothing something like a cloak or mantle." In Hebrews 1:12 (the only other place the word occurs in the New Testament), it is translated "mantle" or "vesture." Now a peribolaion is a type of covering, but the fact that Paul uses an entirely different word shows that it is not the same type of covering as that discussed in the preceding verses. His point in verse 15 is that since nature gives woman one type of covering, she ought also to wear another type of covering while praying. Quote: In the original Greek translation ( the language used by Paul to write the books of Corinthians), the first word, speaking of Covering the hair/head, translated literally into a "Material Covering," or a "veil." The second one that refers to a woman's hair being her covering literally translates from Greek as "tresses of the head" or "to wear long hair" or "hair of the head." People often look at the Englisch translations of the Bible without studying their origin or original exact translations. So when one understands the true translations and meaning of the words as Paul wrote them, it all makes perfect sense.
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:17 pm
Kathelyne PoppyDadswell Kathelyne PoppyDadswell Sweet~Latina I've never heard of this before,...cooooolll. where in the bible does it say that?? cause I wear cute headbands and wear what I like as long as my parents are ok with it or God descent like LOL. 1 corinthian 11-13..i'm sure head bands are fine. Headbands are fine to wear while you are not praying, but I believe in being fully covering the hair while praying. It is MEN who shouldn't cover their heads, according to 1 Corinthian woman should be covered. Yes, we have long hair that is A covering, but not THE covering, as it goes on to say that if her covering is removed, then her hair might as well be too. Kathelyne interesting... my church takes it as the hair is the covering and if the hair is removed this covering is also. Well, thats not what the Bible says, have another read of it 11.5 "But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head was shaved 11.6 for if a woman is not covered, let her also be shorn.." Later on it mentions the hair is given as A covering, but not THE covering. If the woman is not covered, then she may as well be shorn because the covering of hair is not the covering. If THE covering was hair, then the above would make no sense, as it would be "if a woman has not hair, let it be shorn off"- you can't remove hair that isn't there. Verse five says that if a woman prays with her head uncovered, it is the same as if she was shorn. to have shorn hair was shameful for woman who kept it long- so it was just an examply of how shamful praying without a covering is. EDIT: I found an article I was looking for before http://plainlydressed.bravepages.com/headcoveringinformationfile.htmlQuote: If the Bible says it would be as shameful to be "uncovered" as it would to be "shaven," then one must ask the question..........How can you be uncovered and shaven at the same time? The Bible obviously speaks of each one as two completely different things. Notice how it says that if a woman be shaven, she sould be covered. How can you be both or not both at the same time? Quote: Why would Paul then command the woman to do what she had already done? On the other hand, if "uncovered" means "not having hair," then that verse would mean, "If a woman does not have hair, then she should cut it off," and verse 5 would say in effect, "But every woman who does not have hair on her head while praying or prophesying, disgraces her head; for she is one and the same with her whose head is shaved." The former statement is so illogical and the latter so obvious that it is difficult to imagine that Paul meant this. The "uncovered" is thus shown to mean "not having a head covering," and Paul's statement becomes the reasonable: "But every woman who does not have on a head covering while praying or prophesying, disgraces her head; for she is one and the same with her whose head is shaved. For if a woman does not have on a head covering, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her have on a head covering." This is much more logical. Quote: If you study an exhaustive concordance (with both the Greek and Hebrew translation references in the back), you will understand that the original translations of Greek used two completely different words in those verses. "Cover" ("veil"?ASV, RSV of verse 6) in verses 6 and 7 translates "katakalupto" which means "cover, veil" and in the middle voice "cover oneself." The word occurs only here in the New Testament, but it is found several times in the Greek Old Testament. It is used in Genesis 38:15 of Tamar where it is said that she had "covered" her face. It can easily be seen from the preceding verse that she did not cover her face with her hair but with a veil. Similarly the word is used in three manuscripts in Esther 6:12 where it says that Haman hurried to his house in mourning with his head "covered." Here again it is obvious that Haman had not grown his hair long to show his shame, but had thrown something over his head. Uncovered" ("unveiled"?ASV, RSV of verse 5) in verses 5 and 13 translates "akatakaluptos" which simply means "uncovered." The words "cover" in verse 6 and "covering" in verse 15 translate from two entirely different Greek words. The noun translated covering in verse 15 is not "katakalupsis" or "katakalumma," but peribolaion, which means "covering, wrap, cloak" and is described as being "an article of clothing something like a cloak or mantle." In Hebrews 1:12 (the only other place the word occurs in the New Testament), it is translated "mantle" or "vesture." Now a peribolaion is a type of covering, but the fact that Paul uses an entirely different word shows that it is not the same type of covering as that discussed in the preceding verses. His point in verse 15 is that since nature gives woman one type of covering, she ought also to wear another type of covering while praying. Quote: In the original Greek translation ( the language used by Paul to write the books of Corinthians), the first word, speaking of Covering the hair/head, translated literally into a "Material Covering," or a "veil." The second one that refers to a woman's hair being her covering literally translates from Greek as "tresses of the head" or "to wear long hair" or "hair of the head." People often look at the Englisch translations of the Bible without studying their origin or original exact translations. So when one understands the true translations and meaning of the words as Paul wrote them, it all makes perfect sense.
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:34 pm
I didn't mean to offend you sorry, and as for telling you what the Bible says, how can I back up my beliefs without Biblical text?
The Bible says the hair is not the covering being talked about in that verse, if your Church has a different practice and you prefer to follow that, then that is your opinion. but the verses we are discussing cannot be used to show that women wearing a covering (or THE covering, not the hair but peribolaion which means more of a material covering.) is not disrespectful to god, as only men covering is disrespectful, and for women its the opposite. Covering may offend your Church, but it will not offend God at all- so there is nothing wrong in covering your hair while in prayer- in fact it is very right.
And as to the face, I haven't seen anywhere in the bible suggesting it should be coveren, only the head, but if you have found something, please let meknow! I would be very interested, and I haven't gotten too far with reading the Bible yet.
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:44 am
Kathelyne I didn't mean to offend you sorry, and as for telling you what the Bible says, how can I back up my beliefs without Biblical text? The Bible says the hair is not the covering being talked about in that verse, if your Church has a different practice and you prefer to follow that, then that is your opinion. but the verses we are discussing cannot be used to show that women wearing a covering (or THE covering, not the hair but peribolaion which means more of a material covering.) is not disrespectful to god, as only men covering is disrespectful, and for women its the opposite. Covering may offend your Church, but it will not offend God at all- so there is nothing wrong in covering your hair while in prayer- in fact it is very right. And as to the face, I haven't seen anywhere in the bible suggesting it should be coveren, only the head, but if you have found something, please let meknow! I would be very interested, and I haven't gotten too far with reading the Bible yet.
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:39 am
PoppyDadswell Kathelyne I didn't mean to offend you sorry, and as for telling you what the Bible says, how can I back up my beliefs without Biblical text? The Bible says the hair is not the covering being talked about in that verse, if your Church has a different practice and you prefer to follow that, then that is your opinion. but the verses we are discussing cannot be used to show that women wearing a covering (or THE covering, not the hair but peribolaion which means more of a material covering.) is not disrespectful to god, as only men covering is disrespectful, and for women its the opposite. Covering may offend your Church, but it will not offend God at all- so there is nothing wrong in covering your hair while in prayer- in fact it is very right. And as to the face, I haven't seen anywhere in the bible suggesting it should be coveren, only the head, but if you have found something, please let meknow! I would be very interested, and I haven't gotten too far with reading the Bible yet. Thanks smile Many nuns don't cover their hair anymore. Its a sad trend. First lay christian women stoped covering, and now nuns have becan to stop. There has been a growing number of women in recent years begining to read the Bible for themselves and cover, which I think is great. My mummy covers and wears modest dress, and so does one of my cousins and a few of my neices. Its terrible the stance they are taking against coverings in Britian. My aunt has recently converted from Christianity to Islam, and I find that the reactions towards her appearance are negative. People tell her 'you are in our country now and free' when she, and her parents were born here, and she is Australian, but people make so many negative assumptions.
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:25 am
Kathelyne PoppyDadswell Kathelyne I didn't mean to offend you sorry, and as for telling you what the Bible says, how can I back up my beliefs without Biblical text? The Bible says the hair is not the covering being talked about in that verse, if your Church has a different practice and you prefer to follow that, then that is your opinion. but the verses we are discussing cannot be used to show that women wearing a covering (or THE covering, not the hair but peribolaion which means more of a material covering.) is not disrespectful to god, as only men covering is disrespectful, and for women its the opposite. Covering may offend your Church, but it will not offend God at all- so there is nothing wrong in covering your hair while in prayer- in fact it is very right. And as to the face, I haven't seen anywhere in the bible suggesting it should be coveren, only the head, but if you have found something, please let meknow! I would be very interested, and I haven't gotten too far with reading the Bible yet. Thanks smile Many nuns don't cover their hair anymore. Its a sad trend. First lay christian women stoped covering, and now nuns have becan to stop. There has been a growing number of women in recent years begining to read the Bible for themselves and cover, which I think is great. My mummy covers and wears modest dress, and so does one of my cousins and a few of my neices. Its terrible the stance they are taking against coverings in Britian. My aunt has recently converted from Christianity to Islam, and I find that the reactions towards her appearance are negative. People tell her 'you are in our country now and free' when she, and her parents were born here, and she is Australian, but people make so many negative assumptions. you're an Aussie!i have Aussie relations both sides!#a blonde mo# i sympathise with your aunt.my church requests people dress modestly,that no one has tattoos,that no dyes their hair,that no one dresses slutty or wears jewerally.the women arent meant to wear trousers,which i loathe.ireland is one miserable,wet,damp country and in a skirt you freeze and in winter you end up dressed like a granny-thick tights and a long skirt. sweatdrop other than that i like to dress modestly.
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