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 Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:47 pm
We all have heard of the tribes of israel and how they have been lost to history (hence the name "lost tribes"), but have you ever wondered where they went?
The only tribe that I have ever heard of being somewhat traced is the one that went into africa with, supposedly, the AOC and stuff...
Have any of you heard of the theory that a tribe made its way to japan and that the emperors are a long long long descendents? I think thats interesting...
anyway, spoon feed:
-Thoughts on the tribes
-Where they possibly went
-If you have connections to them today
ninja sorry if this is a thread already made
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:21 pm
Well i did have these 2 friends that we're from Ethiopia, and they said they we're from the lost tribes of Israel, im like awsome.
I never really paid that much attention to it till they told me, then i Wiikipedia them and started reading on it, but that was a couple years ago. But from Japan! that would be cool too, Samurai Rabbi. Lol no no, but there should be every type of Jews, not just europeans and N. African.
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:50 pm
I think asian jews would be freaking awsome!!!!!!! xd
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:39 pm
YvetteEmilieDupont I think asian jews would be freaking awsome!!!!!!! xd there are asian jews there is the kaifeng jews who are chinese jews who seem to have lived there since the mid Han dynasty...thats like really long ago... sadly less then possibly 400 kaifeng jews are even known to exist anymore since many have been assimilated and lost, but there could be thousands of people with jewish descent that are just in hiding due to the threat of being persecuted
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:13 am
Donovinhs Knight YvetteEmilieDupont I think asian jews would be freaking awsome!!!!!!! xd there are asian jews there is the kaifeng jews who are chinese jews who seem to have lived there since the mid Han dynasty...thats like really long ago... sadly less then possibly 400 kaifeng jews are even known to exist anymore since many have been assimilated and lost, but there could be thousands of people with jewish descent that are just in hiding due to the threat of being persecuted yea i was just going to ask if they would be like killed. It would be extrememly hard to be jewish in asia I think. Even harder than in the u.s or anywhere else. :sigh: I feel so bad sometimes because all this is happeneing. I mean there isn't anything we can do to help anyone else. So it kinda shows you how powerless everyone in the world is no matter what your position is. Which is kinda why I understand but do not excuse the terrorist actions. I mean you can only take so much nice talk of getting no where before you crack.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:26 pm
Akhilles Lol no no, but there should be every type of Jews, not just europeans and N. African.
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:54 pm
The theory is that most people are either from Judah (because tey were the largest tribe) or from Levi (Levites and Cohanim). Recently, people in Africa have been claiming to be descendents of some of the other tribes who loved in Israel and left when it was swallowed by Judah. (The thing was that Israel wasn't always just Israel. It was originally divided into the North, which was Israel, and the South, which was Judah. The rulers of the two regions didn't like eachother very much and there is even an idea (documentary hypothesis) that the Torah was written by 4 authors, and that one came form Israel and one came from Judah (from around 700-900 B.C.E.).) The most recent one I have heard of was people in Ethiopa claiming that were fromt he tribe of Dan. There is actually htis really good documentary on it, but I can't remember the name. If I do I'll post it.
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:45 pm
serenablack The theory is that most people are either from Judah (because tey were the largest tribe) or from Levi (Levites and Cohanim). Recently, people in Africa have been claiming to be descendents of some of the other tribes who loved in Israel and left when it was swallowed by Judah. (The thing was that Israel wasn't always just Israel. It was originally divided into the North, which was Israel, and the South, which was Judah. The rulers of the two regions didn't like eachother very much and there is even an idea (documentary hypothesis) that the Torah was written by 4 authors, and that one came form Israel and one came from Judah (from around 700-900 B.C.E.).) The most recent one I have heard of was people in Ethiopa claiming that were fromt he tribe of Dan. There is actually htis really good documentary on it, but I can't remember the name. If I do I'll post it. ..and we're all just really, really smart monkeys stare
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:54 pm
ZonkotheSane serenablack The theory is that most people are either from Judah (because tey were the largest tribe) or from Levi (Levites and Cohanim). Recently, people in Africa have been claiming to be descendents of some of the other tribes who loved in Israel and left when it was swallowed by Judah. (The thing was that Israel wasn't always just Israel. It was originally divided into the North, which was Israel, and the South, which was Judah. The rulers of the two regions didn't like eachother very much and there is even an idea (documentary hypothesis) that the Torah was written by 4 authors, and that one came form Israel and one came from Judah (from around 700-900 B.C.E.).) The most recent one I have heard of was people in Ethiopa claiming that were fromt he tribe of Dan. There is actually htis really good documentary on it, but I can't remember the name. If I do I'll post it. ..and we're all just really, really smart monkeys stare its not my personal opinion, but its interesting. The history aprt i wrote about Judah and Israel actually came from Joshua or Shmuel Alef and Bet or Melachim Alef or Bet, but I can't remeber. I know that there is historical proof (if you view the Tanach as history - and thats a whole different debate) that Judah and Israel were once one nation and then split and then came back together again and swallowed up all of the tribes.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:37 pm
serenablack ZonkotheSane serenablack The theory is that most people are either from Judah (because tey were the largest tribe) or from Levi (Levites and Cohanim). Recently, people in Africa have been claiming to be descendents of some of the other tribes who loved in Israel and left when it was swallowed by Judah. (The thing was that Israel wasn't always just Israel. It was originally divided into the North, which was Israel, and the South, which was Judah. The rulers of the two regions didn't like eachother very much and there is even an idea (documentary hypothesis) that the Torah was written by 4 authors, and that one came form Israel and one came from Judah (from around 700-900 B.C.E.).) The most recent one I have heard of was people in Ethiopa claiming that were fromt he tribe of Dan. There is actually htis really good documentary on it, but I can't remember the name. If I do I'll post it. ..and we're all just really, really smart monkeys stare its not my personal opinion, but its interesting. The history aprt i wrote about Judah and Israel actually came from Joshua or Shmuel Alef and Bet or Melachim Alef or Bet, but I can't remeber. I know that there is historical proof (if you view the Tanach as history - and thats a whole different debate) that Judah and Israel were once one nation and then split and then came back together again and swallowed up all of the tribes. misconstrued knowledge is still ignorance. sorry to give you so much flak, but one should really research something thoroughly before quoting it, or using it as a source.
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:21 pm
ZonkotheSane serenablack ZonkotheSane serenablack The theory is that most people are either from Judah (because tey were the largest tribe) or from Levi (Levites and Cohanim). Recently, people in Africa have been claiming to be descendents of some of the other tribes who loved in Israel and left when it was swallowed by Judah. (The thing was that Israel wasn't always just Israel. It was originally divided into the North, which was Israel, and the South, which was Judah. The rulers of the two regions didn't like eachother very much and there is even an idea (documentary hypothesis) that the Torah was written by 4 authors, and that one came form Israel and one came from Judah (from around 700-900 B.C.E.).) The most recent one I have heard of was people in Ethiopa claiming that were fromt he tribe of Dan. There is actually htis really good documentary on it, but I can't remember the name. If I do I'll post it. ..and we're all just really, really smart monkeys stare its not my personal opinion, but its interesting. The history aprt i wrote about Judah and Israel actually came from Joshua or Shmuel Alef and Bet or Melachim Alef or Bet, but I can't remeber. I know that there is historical proof (if you view the Tanach as history - and thats a whole different debate) that Judah and Israel were once one nation and then split and then came back together again and swallowed up all of the tribes. misconstrued knowledge is still ignorance. sorry to give you so much flak, but one should really research something thoroughly before quoting it, or using it as a source. In Melachim Alef, King David is really old and about to pass on the throne to one of his sons. Despite the fact that the firstborn son is supposed to inherit, David's first born Amnon, raped his half-sister Tamar and was killed by David's second born son, Adoniah, which makes him ineligable as well. Two of David's other sons were now put up as candidates for the throne, Adoniah and Solomon. Adoniah was supported by the head of the military and the priests of Shiloh. Solomon was supported by the nevi'im and Batsheva. Adoniah was killed and Solomon gained control of Israel. This split of support led to the splitting of Israel into Israel and Judah. When Solomon died his son, Rehoboam was to be acclaimed as King. However, the priests of Shiloh put forth another candidate for the throne, named Jeroboam. In short, Rehoboam gained control of the South and named it Judah, while Jeroboam gained control of the North and called it Israel. This was becuase there had been a prophecy that basically said that the descendants of David (thats Rehoboam) would get to keep the lands of his tribe (Judah) and the other ten tribes would go to Jeroboam. (Only 11 tribes are metnioned because the tribe of Levi was dispered throughout all of the tribes.) This is all from Melachim Alef: 11: 29-39. I'll get back to you on when they came back together again because I'm still not exactly sure where that came from. I know that at the end of Jeremiah they were still spilt, but I'm not sure where that fits into the timeline.. hopefully I'll learn about from either BibCiv (biblical civilizations... I'm not actually taking it but I get all the notes) or Tanach class. Good enough for you? ... don't answer that cause I don't know what else to add if you say no.
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:55 pm
serenablack ... don't answer that cause I don't know what else to add if you say no. i'm pretty sure the schism occured after shlomo hamelech died (officially, anyway), but otherwise i think you're good. it's melachim alef.
sorry to make you type so much, the "torah being written by multiple authors thing always irks me
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:17 pm
ZonkotheSane serenablack ... don't answer that cause I don't know what else to add if you say no. i'm pretty sure the schism occured after shlomo hamelech died (officially, anyway), but otherwise i think you're good. it's melachim alef.
sorry to make you type so much, the "torah being written by multiple authors thing always irks meyay! don't worry about it. honestly, it bugs me too, but i still think its an interesting theory. so you believe that moshe wrote the hamishei humshei torah?
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:15 pm
serenablack so you believe that moshe wrote the hamishei humshei torah? i believe he transcribed it. little different, semanticaly
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:27 pm
ZonkotheSane serenablack so you believe that moshe wrote the hamishei humshei torah? i believe he transcribed it. little different, semanticaly got it. i know what you mean.
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