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 Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:02 am
Okay today was just an ordinary day for me yet some it wasn't so. My English teacher went on the topic of Christianity and how it killed millions of innocent people. I sat there with my hands clasps and listened without retaliation. My friend on the other hand, kept whispering to me and nudging me for the teacher supported his arguements everytime. I simply ignored him and continued to pay attention. My teacher than stopped and looked at me and said, "What do you find so amusing all the time?" I looked around to see if she was directing it at someone else but it was me, "You guys giggle and laugh all the time. Mind me telling what is so funny?" "Ah..." was the onyl words I could speak and than pointed at my friend, "Well, Cody (friend beside me)"
Than Cody intercepted and said that he and I are debating about the Christian faith. She than nodded for it made sense to her why Cody was so wreckless when she spoke of Christianity. Cody is athiest and strongly disagrees on Christianity. For a sum of 20 minutes I sat there while the whole class expressed their point of views on Christianity. It was very hurtful for maybe I was the only Christian there.
QUESTIONS!
The Crusades.
The Witch Hunts.
Why has Christianity gone to a path of unrighteousness in the past?
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:44 am
I had a very similar discussion in a humanities class... I am what I like to call a "Bulldog" when it comes to arguing about faith. At the time I had just stopped going to church to live a unrestrained walk of faith and was very hot blooded on the difference between being a christian and being religious. I was pissed by the end of the class but I made everyone leave the topic be and stop bash my faith. I also pulled most non-believers own tactics. I cursed, I took the cheap shots, and I dug into people. Before I was done I had made most of those liberal and democratic pansies sit down, shut up, and listen. I was even whipping out ideas of modern society that was based on christianity, and using them against people.
I have preached in a small church before but I was not a "nice" preacher, and I rarely quoted scripture unless I needed to back up an understanding of mine. I have no problem with stepping on peoples toes... I am also good at bluffing when I get pissed. I don't know why but I tend to get very angry at people when they try to tell me what to believe. I think through out my entire life I have only gotten to the point of being furious two or three times. That was one of 'em.
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:43 am
That is a tough situation to be in, especialy if you can't fight back. Then again, perhaps you did the best thing in not fighting back, it could have made the situation worse. I usualy only put in input in those conversations if I know something about the subject and only then. You might want to find out the policy on talking about religion in class, that way if the teacher is breaking policy you can catch them on that and stop it right there, or report them.
As for the Crusades/Witch Hunts my answer lies in the fact that the government and the religion were combined at those times. The leader had to be "destined by God" to rule the land and the church. Because of this fact it made an excuse for war even easier. With out the church backing the Crusades/Witch Hunts the country would viewed as a tyrinical country bent on conquest or whatever, but with the basis that "those people are evil so God wants us to convert them or wipe them out " or "there is something evil about that person they must be a witch!" there seemed to be a more valid reason to go through with those actions. The Crusades were ment just to spred influence and became the means to aquire exotic goods. The Witch Hunts were an easy way to get rid of people you (or the governement) didn't like or to aquire their possesions. These problems all arised when religion was tied into the government. Its just easier to make up a reason to go to war or persecute people through religion than logic, and the people responsible for the Crusades/Witch Hunts exploited this. So to claim that Christianity was to blame for these actions is foolish. A religion that doesn't support the actions of its followers isn't the thing to blame, its the followers that are.
Let me know if I need to clarify on anything.
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:05 pm
Thanks for your inputs you guys. Yeah, I was really awe stricken when the topic of Christianity came in. I rarely talk about it in school, but if one mocks my religion I go in and defend it.
But my teacher also explains that...
The accused people of witchcraft were actually healers who were killed and tortured.
Wasn't Jesus a healer?
I thought that, "You athiest did the same 2000 years ago. If you claimed to be a Christian, than you would be torured."
Tat's what a Matry(spelling) is.
More QUESTIONS
The Bible. False or the truth?
This question is what my friend Cody and I are debating. He says that the Bible could have been made by someone and proclaim themselves as God.
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:00 pm
I say the Bible is true, and for the killing, i think it was because the Crusaders was wiping the tainted Chaos, (A word I learned off of Dawn of War) or was trying to spread Christianity, and the Muslims wouldn't listen to them, so I guess they was killing for the Lord, but that's just a thought, I can't say it's true, as for the witch hunting, i don't know.
I'm glad I wasn't in that class, I got mad enough when an Atheist on MSN Messenger was trying to tell me that God wasn't real, I cussed him out and left, if I ever met that guy, he might not see ever again...
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:34 pm
I am so thankful that I never have to sit through that, for I go to a Christian school. But I still deal with people who battle my faith, mostly on the internet. It is hard to argue with someone whose mind is set. I believe the best way to deal with them is simply by our testimonies. Sometimes they won't listen to our fervent words, but the ways we act can say a lot. I mean, if we curse and say crude things and do mean stuff and all, then go and battle about Christianity, I doubt they will be much convinced. All they will see is, "HEy! They are just like us and they say they are Christian! So who cares? ITs no change!" But if we truly show Christ in the stuff we do, they will notice something different. I struggle with showing this, and I get into many heated debates, and all I can do is ask the Lord to give me strength to stand up for Him.
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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:26 pm
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:05 pm
Romans 8:35
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?
Us christians will always be the joke of everyones conversations My friend you shoulda stood up and told your friend I am not with you in the way you believe...Christ chose us because we will stand and fight with him even under the foot of our enemies.
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:13 pm
Why the hell do you guys seem to think that there is nothing you can do when people try to talk crap about you? There is always the option of defending your faith. but you do have to take into account the fact that the crusades and the witch hunts and the burnings and the torture that was passed off as trial all did happen under the religious authority of the pope. at the time Christianity was well established in europe but was for some reason or other verry concerned about competition (i find this odd considering how sure of themselves christians have always been) so they killed it off. with hunts were also a good method of killing off political adversarrys and free thinking people who didn't agree with the all- powerfull church. Point is, almost every religion has a history of violence.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:07 am
Caterham_Paladin I had a very similar discussion in a humanities class... I am what I like to call a "Bulldog" when it comes to arguing about faith. At the time I had just stopped going to church to live a unrestrained walk of faith and was very hot blooded on the difference between being a christian and being religious. I was pissed by the end of the class but I made everyone leave the topic be and stop bash my faith. I also pulled most non-believers own tactics. I cursed, I took the cheap shots, and I dug into people. Before I was done I had made most of those liberal and democratic pansies sit down, shut up, and listen. I was even whipping out ideas of modern society that was based on christianity, and using them against people. I have preached in a small church before but I was not a "nice" preacher, and I rarely quoted scripture unless I needed to back up an understanding of mine. I have no problem with stepping on peoples toes... I am also good at bluffing when I get pissed. I don't know why but I tend to get very angry at people when they try to tell me what to believe. I think through out my entire life I have only gotten to the point of being furious two or three times. That was one of 'em. I give two thumbs up. Quote: I say the Bible is true, and for the killing, i think it was because the Crusaders was wiping the tainted Chaos, (A word I learned off of Dawn of War) or was trying to spread Christianity, and the Muslims wouldn't listen to them, so I guess they was killing for the Lord, but that's just a thought, I can't say it's true, as for the witch hunting, i don't know. I'm glad I wasn't in that class, I got mad enough when an Atheist on MSN Messenger was trying to tell me that God wasn't real, I cussed him out and left, if I ever met that guy, he might not see ever again... This I give two thumbs down. Anyways this topic is old, but I just want to give my two sense. First off, as far as the crusades and witchhunts go, those were led by men, not by a god. Acourse in a sense, this could have been said by everything else christians related, but acourse who was following the bible to the best of your knowledge. Atheist, well most, do not know the bible or should not know the bible as well s christians. Even so, men go to war all the time in the name of kings, revenge, and what not. Religion is just another excuse to kill, which isn't the fault of the whole faith, it's the fault of the people who claim to be christians and men of god who could prevent it. Now should you have said anything? It's actually up to you. I know what it's like to not want to deal with other peoples crap. Acourse for me this is occasional since I LOVE argueing with others. But simply put, using arguements with people like Mother Mary and famous missionaries to counter act the wars, along with the previous arguement should do it justice. Yeah the slaughters made a bigger impact, but things like that always does.
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:27 am
LtPsycho I say the Bible is true, and for the killing, i think it was because the Crusaders was wiping the tainted Chaos, (A word I learned off of Dawn of War) or was trying to spread Christianity, and the Muslims wouldn't listen to them, so I guess they was killing for the Lord, but that's just a thought, I can't say it's true, as for the witch hunting, i don't know. I'm glad I wasn't in that class, I got mad enough when an Atheist on MSN Messenger was trying to tell me that God wasn't real, I cussed him out and left, if I ever met that guy, he might not see ever again... You realy are psychotic aren't you? how the hell do you kill in the name of a God who can destroy towns at will. had he realy wanted the muslims and whoever dead. besides your god says "thou shalt not kill"
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:16 pm
well i think that people take freedom of speech too far and dont realize that there rights end where other peoples begin, not realizing that what they say could be something that might offend others. but i think in that situation there isnt much you could have done, but it still isnt right.
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:43 pm
Amiel John Okay today was just an ordinary day for me yet some it wasn't so. My English teacher went on the topic of Christianity and how it killed millions of innocent people. I sat there with my hands clasps and listened without retaliation. My friend on the other hand, kept whispering to me and nudging me for the teacher supported his arguements everytime. I simply ignored him and continued to pay attention. My teacher than stopped and looked at me and said, "What do you find so amusing all the time?" I looked around to see if she was directing it at someone else but it was me, "You guys giggle and laugh all the time. Mind me telling what is so funny?" "Ah..." was the onyl words I could speak and than pointed at my friend, "Well, Cody (friend beside me)"
Than Cody intercepted and said that he and I are debating about the Christian faith. She than nodded for it made sense to her why Cody was so wreckless when she spoke of Christianity. Cody is athiest and strongly disagrees on Christianity. For a sum of 20 minutes I sat there while the whole class expressed their point of views on Christianity. It was very hurtful for maybe I was the only Christian there.
QUESTIONS!
The Crusades.
The Witch Hunts.
Why has Christianity gone to a path of unrighteousness in the past? It hurts me to hear of another teacher pushing her atheistic agenda in the classroom. Many times in school, we are not taught, but instead told what to believe.An analogy: If I hit you, would you then become angry at my brother? Of course not. He has nothing to do with me hitting you. Okay, well if someone that claims to be a Christian commits a horrible act, is it right to assume that all Christians are phonies? Again, no. Most of the things that atheists like to bring up that was done in the name of God was done by "religious" people that claimed to know God, but by their actions showed otherwise. John 14:15 says "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." The crusades were not fought for God. They were fought for territory and power. It's the same thing today with Israel and Palestine. They both claim that God gave them the land, and they're fighting about it. The Salem Witch Trails is what happens when people believe in "a" God but not the God of the Bible. It resulted in the deaths of less than 25 innocents. If they would have read their Bibles, they might have seen how ludicrous their actions were. These people were so consumed in superstition that they failed to realize that the Bible never mentions witches. If your teacher wants to bad-mouth Christianity for the lives that have been lost due to the actions of hypocrites, how about bring up the millions upon millions that have been killed by an atheistic agenda? In an attempt to create a religion-free utopia, Hitler massacred over 100 million people. As America strays away from it's Christian origins,(they weren't all like those select puritan crazies) the effects are more evident every day. Did you know that the number of U.S. war deaths is far exceeded by the numbers that have died from abortion in America? http://www.htmlbible.com/abortstats.htmPlease don't be discouraged by people like your teacher. Atheists will bring up tons of excuses to not believe in God, but the real reason is that they don't want to believe in God. If they acknowledge the obvious and evident existence of God, they would need to change the way that they live. They love their sin, thus they don't want to believe in a God that will judge them for everything that they have done.
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