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Aiko_589

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:02 pm


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Visiting Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and top Chinese leaders on Sunday agreed to mend bilateral ties that have deteriorated due to repeated visits to war-related Yasukuni Shrine by Abe's predecessor, Junichiro Koizumi.

In the ice-breaking meetings held successively between Abe and Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao and President Hu Jintao, the two neighboring nations also agreed in principle to resume mutual visits by their top leaders.

Abe, who took office on Sept. 26, picked China as the first foreign country to visit as prime minister because he puts priority over rebuilding Japan's ties with China, which, along with South Korea, had suspended bilateral summit meetings due to Koizumi's annual pilgrimages to the Tokyo shrine honoring the Class-A criminals among the Japanese war dead.

In the day's talks, Hu and Wen called on Abe to help remove a political obstacle between Japan and China by refraining from visiting Yasukuni Shrine, according to sources with access the meetings.

In reply, Abe told them that he has policy of not clarifying whether or not he will visit the shrine while seeking the Chinese leaders' understanding of his past visits there.

The visits should be taken as acts to wish for lasting peace, as they were purported to mourn for those who died for their country and families, not for Class-A war criminals, he explained.

He also asked China to duly evaluate what Japan has done for 60 years since the end of World War II, recalling a statement issued in 1995 by then Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama that offered Japan's deep remorse and heartfelt apology to people in Asia who suffered from Japan's wartime aggression.

Japan's prime minister has not visited China since October 2001. No summit talks have been held between the two nations since Koizumi and Hu met in Jakarta in April 2005 on the sidelines of an Asia-Africa summit.

Ahead of the meetings with the Chinese leaders, also including Wu Bangguo, chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress, Abe participated in a reception at the Great Hall of the People.

It was very unusual for the top three Chinese leaders to hold separate meetings with a foreign guest on the opening day of a plenary session of the Communist Party's Central Committee, which is the most important event for the party, Chinese officials said.

Hu appreciated Abe's pick of China as his first overseas trip destination, saying that it shows the Japanese leader's eagerness to improve and develop bilateral ties further. The Japan-China relationship is at a turning point, Hu said in the meeting.

Abe and the Chinese leaders also exchanged opinions on North Korean problems, and confirmed their cooperation in de-nuclearizing the Korean Peninsula by persuading Pyongyang into not conducting nuclear tests through dialogue.

Among other points of agreements are to frequently hold leaders'' talks on the sidelines of international conferences, including a summit of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in Hanoi on Nov. 18-19, and to establish a council for joint study of history and hold its first meeting by the end of this year.

0n the issue of natural gas development in the East China Sea, they agreed to seek a solution that is acceptable to the both side, such as launching a joint project.

Abe's China trip has produced fruit. But it has yet to be certain whether the soured bilateral relation can be normalized smoothly, critics said.

For China, holding the summit was based on its conviction that Abe will not visit Yasukuni Shrine during his tenure. Meanwhile, Abe has decided to make it vague whether he will visit there as prime minister.

If Abe actually visits the shrine and the visit is brought to light, Japan-China relations would get far worth than those in the Koizumi's era, a senior Japanese Foreign Ministry official warned. (Jiji Press)
PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:50 pm


wow. This is a major turning point. Humanity exists after all. I hope it all works out well.

Daisy Mai - 128K


Akira_Hoshino

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:43 pm


What a controversial issue. On the one hand, all seems good for East Asia if both China and Japan have ties. It could deter a possible strike from North Korea. At the same time, with both N. Korea and China being Communist, the question is who would China be loyal to? China has the largest army in the world due to its surplus population. Right now it's better to be on China's good side.

But the Chinese demand that Prime Minister Abe refrain from visiting the Yasukuni Shrine (which, forgive me if I'm wrong, is a sacred war memorial, right?) makes me nervous. If the Chinese were really interested in patching relationships with other countries they fought against during WWII, one would think they wouldn't disallow a country's leader from honoring their own dead. China may have more reason than most to be angry with Japan (and vice versa, I would think), but the first step towards forming good relationships would be a process of forgiveness. It seems a very strange demand to me.

Would the Prime Minister refusing to go to Yasukuni Shrine anger the Japanese people? I think that's an important question here. It's the only reason I can think that Abe wouldn't give a clear answer about whether he will go. If the Japanese people find the Yasukuni Shrine sacred and would resent their Prime Minister not visiting it, Abe should go. But it would then jeopardize relations with China. If he doesn't go, he'll bridge relations with China, but may cause unrest among his people. Either way, it doesn't seem to be that the Chinese are cooperating all that well. Every prospect mentioned in this article is good for the Chinese, while only some are good for the Japanese.

I don't know - things could really swing either way here, for good or for bad. But I wouldn't get too excited this early in the game.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:55 pm


I dunno, what with the Successful underground nuclear test of N. Korea's... now i'm really scared, and i think that everyone needs all the allies they can get.

mega-Chan


Aiko_589

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:59 pm


Akira_Hoshino
What a controversial issue. On the one hand, all seems good for East Asia if both China and Japan have ties. It could deter a possible strike from North Korea. At the same time, with both N. Korea and China being Communist, the question is who would China be loyal to? China has the largest army in the world due to its surplus population. Right now it's better to be on China's good side.

But the Chinese demand that Prime Minister Abe refrain from visiting the Yasukuni Shrine (which, forgive me if I'm wrong, is a sacred war memorial, right?) makes me nervous. If the Chinese were really interested in patching relationships with other countries they fought against during WWII, one would think they wouldn't disallow a country's leader from honoring their own dead. China may have more reason than most to be angry with Japan (and vice versa, I would think), but the first step towards forming good relationships would be a process of forgiveness. It seems a very strange demand to me.

Would the Prime Minister refusing to go to Yasukuni Shrine anger the Japanese people? I think that's an important question here. It's the only reason I can think that Abe wouldn't give a clear answer about whether he will go. If the Japanese people find the Yasukuni Shrine sacred and would resent their Prime Minister not visiting it, Abe should go. But it would then jeopardize relations with China. If he doesn't go, he'll bridge relations with China, but may cause unrest among his people. Either way, it doesn't seem to be that the Chinese are cooperating all that well. Every prospect mentioned in this article is good for the Chinese, while only some are good for the Japanese.

I don't know - things could really swing either way here, for good or for bad. But I wouldn't get too excited this early in the game.
 

Errr... i what your saying is very backwards. if that makes sense。 Maybe what you are saying would have made sense 30 years ago, but now is a different story.

You see, the shrine, aside from hosting war cirminals, Hosts the hashira, who are the orignial 3500 soliders who died in the boshin war, for whom the shrine was originally built. they are treated as kami. BUT! you never see the prime minister visitng Ise jinja, whichis the house Amaterasu oomikami, and if the prime minster is really so interested why does he not go there? after all, she even has OOMiKAMI in her name! (oomikami amaterasu no mikoto).

the only reasonhe is ambiguous is becuase 70% of japan supported Koizumi's wishes, and he also doesnt want to seem submissive to the Chinese.

indeed it is true that by the Heian era the emperor had said:

We no longer need what comes from the contenent, save medicine. These items which flow from the west are useless.

For by that time period japan was no longer a little china that spoke a better language, but Japan.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:13 pm


Aiko_589
Errr... i what your saying is very backwards. if that makes sense。 Maybe what you are saying would have made sense 30 years ago, but now is a different story.

You see, the shrine, aside from hosting war cirminals, Hosts the hashira, who are the orignial 3500 soliders who died in the boshin war, for whom the shrine was originally built. they are treated as kami. BUT! you never see the prime minister visitng Ise jinja, whichis the house Amaterasu oomikami, and if the prime minster is really so interested why does he not go there? after all, she even has OOMiKAMI in her name! (oomikami amaterasu no mikoto).

the only reasonhe is ambiguous is becuase 70% of japan supported Koizumi's wishes, and he also doesnt want to seem submissive to the Chinese.

indeed it is true that by the Heian era the emperor had said:

We no longer need what comes from the contenent, save medicine. These items which flow from the west are useless.

For by that time period japan was no longer a little china that spoke a better language, but Japan.


Ahhh, okay, I see. That sounds like less of a perilous situation then. ^^- Well, I wish Japan the best of luck, and hope the Prime Minister makes a decision most people can be happy with.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:13 pm



I think Mainland China should stop crying over what the Japanese did back in 1920s till 1940s...

But then again, I'm mixed... Taiwanese, Arabian, & Japanese
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:23 am


Those countries are awesome.. Two of the most well-rounded Asian countries I've known, err, visited.. LOL ^^ sweatdrop

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