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 Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:35 am
WatersMoon110 I have no clue what you are attempting to get at, I don't see how what you just said built upon what you previously said, and I'm not entirely sure where you are getting "Pro-Lifers are Pro-Choice in everything except a woman's choice to abort," from anything I've previously said, let alone said in the post you origionally quoted. Actually, I didn't use any definition of either Pro-Choice or Pro-Life in the post you origionally quoted. I said that Pro-Lifers "respection choice" and I said that Pro-Lifers believe that people should be forced to take a particular action in a certain situation. I'm not sure why that prompted you to tell me why Pro-Lifers might object to the term "Pro-Choice"... WatersMoon110 divineseraph we are the same way. except for the abortion bit, seeing as it kills a child. It's that "except for the abortion bit" that makes you not the same way. It would be like me saying: "I'm so with you on that protecting life thing, except for the whole forcing women to remain pregnant thing. That violates their bodily integrity." See, I act like I'm agreeing with you, but really I am just stating the exact opposite of your view point. Not that Pro-Lifers don't respect choice and want others to live their own lives. Just that in that one situation, (most) Pro-Lifers seem to believe that some people should be forced down a certain course of action. So, in that situation, we are not the same. That did. Ya'll didn't say it in so many words, but the argument seemed to me to be essentially, "What you're saying is Pro-Lifers are Pro-Choicers except not." And as I said, it just got me thinking, idle speculation. But what I'm saying is that, no, Pro-Lifers do not believe that anyone should be forced to take a particular action in a certain situation. We do not support the robotification of the nation, which is what that would require. We believe that there should be legal punishment for certain situations, but so do you, and so do most Pro-Choicers I've met.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:14 am
I.Am WatersMoon110 divineseraph WatersMoon110 ..Le Chat du Noir.. rofl I recall myself muttering in my sleep, "Pro-Choice is just not giving ******** what everyone else does..." Dunno where I got that from, but I probably didn't mean it that way. Heh. I woke up from a dream about arguing about abortion (it was funny, I had two girls and was like 9 months pregnant with another, and I was in this church hiding from monsters or demons and arguing with this woman about why abortion should be legal) saying something like "and that's why I can't make choices for other people". Sort of the same thing. Yeah, being Pro-Choice is about letting other people make their own choices of what to do when they become unexpectedly pregnant and allowing all those possibly choices (abortion, giving birth and raising a child, giving birth and giving a child up for adoption) to be legal. That is how Pro-Choicers see it. we are the same way. except for the abortion bit, seeing as it kills a child. It's that "except for the abortion bit" that makes you not the same way. It would be like me saying: "I'm so with you on that protecting life thing, except for the whole forcing women to remain pregnant thing. That violates their bodily integrity." See, I act like I'm agreeing with you, but really I am just stating the exact opposite of your view point. Not that Pro-Lifers don't respect choice and want others to live their own lives. Just that in that one situation, (most) Pro-Lifers seem to believe that some people should be forced down a certain course of action. So, in that situation, we are not the same. That did. Ya'll didn't say it in so many words, but the argument seemed to me to be essentially, "What you're saying is Pro-Lifers are Pro-Choicers except not." And as I said, it just got me thinking, idle speculation. But what I'm saying is that, no, Pro-Lifers do not believe that anyone should be forced to take a particular action in a certain situation. We do not support the robotification of the nation, which is what that would require. We believe that there should be legal punishment for certain situations, but so do you, and so do most Pro-Choicers I've met. I've added in the post that Divine replied to. What I was commenting on was that his reply pretended to agree with my statement, but then refuted the main point. All I did was to show a similar statement using "It would be like me saying:" to show how I could also pretend to agree with a Pro-Life point, while actually refuting the entire Pro-Life stance. The later words, which you objected to, were all me stating that I didn't actually mean what I said in my refuting statement, not any sort of generalization that was to be taken to mean that Pro-Lifers are generally in favor of all choices (one of your three somewhat conflicting objections). What is threatening legal punishment for an action if not a way of forcing people not to do said action? [EDIT] Actually, if anyone said "What you're saying is Pro-Lifers are Pro-Choicers except not." it would be Divine who stated: Quote: we are the same way. except for the abortion bit, seeing as it kills a child. So, unless you meant that comment dirrected to him, I really don't see how it applies to me...
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:38 pm
I wasn't objecting to anything, and I wasn't directly responding to anything; As I said, it got me thinking, and I was idly speculating. I was supposed to be studying for a test at the time, I haven't properly slept for a couple days, so excuse me for being a little... Fluid minded. ninja Actually, it's more like Divine said, "Pro-Lifers are Pro-Choicers, except not." And you said, "What you're saying is Pro-Lifers are Pro-Choicers, except not." Thus, what I said. Quote: What is threatening legal punishment for an action if not a way of forcing people not to do said action? I addressed this. I'm sorry that my statements were confusing, there were two sets of ways to look at this: All choices are choices, in which case no one is absolutely Pro-Choice, because no one legally supports all choices, i.e., I'm certain that you are against legalized rape or murder. Or, on the other hand, you could say that only choices with no legal punishment are real choices (I.e., unforced), then everyone is Pro-Choice, because everyone supports the choices that they want to be legal. Again, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, this is idle speculation. It's not some sort of debate argument. I'm not trying to say, "Ha! You're not really Pro-Choice!" or "Ha! We're just as Pro-Choice as you!" It's not a right-wrong situation. It's just the idle thought of a mind trying to avoid homework.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:43 pm
I.Am I wasn't objecting to anything, and I wasn't directly responding to anything; As I said, it got me thinking, and I was idly speculating. I was supposed to be studying for a test at the time, I haven't properly slept for a couple days, so excuse me for being a little... Fluid minded. ninja Actually, it's more like Divine said, "Pro-Lifers are Pro-Choicers, except not." And you said, "What you're saying is Pro-Lifers are Pro-Choicers, except not." Thus, what I said. Quote: What is threatening legal punishment for an action if not a way of forcing people not to do said action? I addressed this. I'm sorry that my statements were confusing, there were two sets of ways to look at this: All choices are choices, in which case no one is absolutely Pro-Choice, because no one legally supports all choices, i.e., I'm certain that you are against legalized rape or murder. Or, on the other hand, you could say that only choices with no legal punishment are real choices (I.e., unforced), then everyone is Pro-Choice, because everyone supports the choices that they want to be legal. Again, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, this is idle speculation. It's not some sort of debate argument. I'm not trying to say, "Ha! You're not really Pro-Choice!" or "Ha! We're just as Pro-Choice as you!" It's not a right-wrong situation. It's just the idle thought of a mind trying to avoid homework. Ah - I've been more than out of it for the past...well all of October. So you'll have to excuse me for misunderstanding what you were trying to say.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:16 pm
Oh, I know what you mean. I've been sleeping more during the day then at night, lately. sweatdrop Pulling all nighters and whatnot.
You know it's midterm season...
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:05 pm
Wow...Ya'll Are Awsome! You Answer Stuff Hella Fast
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:31 pm
but i AM for any choice a woman can make, so long as they don't hurt or kill or wrong anyone else. that's all i ask of anybody, i don't see why a woman should be any different
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:02 pm
xd
I kinda think this topic is actually pretty funny.
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:50 am
divineseraph but i AM for any choice a woman can make, so long as they don't hurt or kill or wrong anyone else. that's all i ask of anybody, i don't see why a woman should be any different
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:07 am
Broadway_Baby_13 divineseraph but i AM for any choice a woman can make, so long as they don't hurt or kill or wrong anyone else. that's all i ask of anybody, i don't see why a woman should be any different Everyone chooses a side based on their own personal opinions. Not everyone who is Pro-life agrees on the reason they are pro-life, and it's the same with those that are pro-choice. Find the reason strongest to you and use it to choose.
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:19 am
Broadway_Baby_13 divineseraph but i AM for any choice a woman can make, so long as they don't hurt or kill or wrong anyone else. that's all i ask of anybody, i don't see why a woman should be any different Well both sides have facts that are true and both sides made up stuff as well, it's all a matter of opinon and what you think is right or wrong. To me I think it's wrong to abort it cause you don't want it ( that is what adoption is for) or because they don't want to gain weight (which you can loose) and want their bodies to be "perfect" and not change. All that is selfish reasons to end a human life. once it's dead it's dead. Now life and death situations is different and I see it as o.k. in that case or before it attaches to the uterus so I personally don't have a problem with the E.C. pill ( it's to prevent pregnany if by change the egg has be fertilized. It doesn't work once it attaches to the uterus). I don't read the bible or go to church cause i'm not a christian, i'm agnostic. We all see things differently
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:33 pm
Also, we should all hold ourselves up to a standard we set for ourselves, if you feel your standard is too high or too low, there is always time to go back and change it, if you feel you jumped in and went pro-life or pro-choice too quickly, don't let it deter you from changing your mind later on.
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