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 Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:59 pm
In one of my other guilds, they're "celebrating" the legalization of homosexual marraiges. I can't even respond with my thoughts on the matter because I'm afraid I'll be labled as a homophobe/hater. They don't understand the sacredness of marraige..."it's just a piece of paper".....I can't stop legal unions, but calling it a marraige? It destroys the whole meaning....
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:22 pm
Isn't today's society just so sad? *sighs*
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:29 pm
well, if the guild isn't that important to you, I would suggest that you would put your feelings out there. Provide your insight in a scholarly matter and you should be ok. Personally, I feel the same way. I'm sure you've heard the phrase "love the sinner, hate the sin". I understand that they're just wayward people who have lost, or misunderstood what real love is due to possible experiences in their past that have damaged their views and attractions to the opposite sex. Although, it's not a part of God's plan that they rejoice in this evil. Families are meant to have a mother and a father. It can't be any other way. The characterisitics of both sexes create a balance that is perfect for raising a righteous family. Look up the Family Proclamation to the world and you'll see what I mean.
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:30 pm
I don't even understand how one guy can like another...I mean come on! Girls are just so...ya know anyways I just don't get it.
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:32 pm
I simply told them that I couldn't join in the celebration. I can't find the words to explain why, though. I almost feel as though I should just quit the guild simply because I don't like the feeling that I'm the only person with my beliefs and it's dang scary sticking up for yourself when so many people can take what you say the wrong way. At this time in my life, I don't think I'm strong enough to do it.
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:37 am
is it a private or public guild? if it's public, which one? I'll stand up with you, and tell them our viewpoint.
I've had an experience like this already, but with a class at school. it was a Gender roles class, and we were SUPPOSED to be open to all viewpoints. I told the class what I thought and believe about homosexuality. People got mad. It wasn't my intent. but honestly, I don't care if they get mad at me. I'll tell them what I believe, and I'll stand by it.
Soo...If you want some company in standing up, I'll stand with you.
I'll even post the Proclaimation if it feels like I should.
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:07 pm
Maki Minakoaino is it a private or public guild? if it's public, which one? I'll stand up with you, and tell them our viewpoint. I've had an experience like this already, but with a class at school. it was a Gender roles class, and we were SUPPOSED to be open to all viewpoints. I told the class what I thought and believe about homosexuality. People got mad. It wasn't my intent. but honestly, I don't care if they get mad at me. I'll tell them what I believe, and I'll stand by it. Soo...If you want some company in standing up, I'll stand with you. I'll even post the Proclaimation if it feels like I should. It's a private guild, so...yeah...
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:11 pm
-Sanjinu- I don't even understand how one guy can like another...I mean come on! Girls are just so...ya know anyways I just don't get it. I can understand girls and girls, cuz guys can be yucky xp j/k But...really...it goes against nature; against the way God meant it to be. Certain.....things just...don't work right in that sort of relationship.
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:02 am
I don't blame you for not saying anything. Sometimes it's better to be quiet when you know nobody is going to listen. The whole pearls before swine thing.
The only hiccup here is that it's online. Not nessessarily are the only people who respond also the only people who read it. There's always the possibility you could unknowingly reach someone.
I had to hold up my end of a very similar argument, but I had to do it from a completely legal sense. I had to prove why marriage between two men or a marriage between two women was not the same or equal to a marriage between a man and a woman. All I had to go on was that the government gives us certain benefits based on the idea that in a marriage, people generally produce more government citizens.
So I said that while adoption is concievable between two men or two women, it's not going to be as often an occurance as natural birth in a traditional family. I said that statisticly, homosexual relationships don't last as long. That purely based on fact, a homosexual has more partners than a heterosexual one.
Finally, also going along the lines of adoption:
A homosexual couple is less likely to appease an adoption agency and allow them to adopt their children, if only based on the fact that 13% of all instances of child molestation are done by homosexuals. Which is daunting considering what percent of the population is homosexual to begin with.
Statistically speaking, a homosexual couple is more likely (and double that because two homosexuals are involved here) to molest the child than a heterosexual couple. Which I refuse to believe is not a concern of any adoption agency.
But my whole class jumped on me at that point and accused me of saying that all homosexuals have the tendancy to molest children.
I tried to say that's not what I'm saying at all, but they wouldn't believe me, or couldn't follow, or didn't want to or something. I didn't know what to say. I've had friends who are gay. I know for a fact that none of them would ever do that. But the fact remains that enough of the homosexual population do to make it a concern for any adoption agency.
I didn't think that was so hard to follow.
Even considering my personal viewpoint,
That homosexuality is a physchological dissoder,
Claiming that everyone with homosexual tendancies would be inclined to molest children is like saying anyone who's ever been depressed would have the inclination to go on a homicidal killing spree. It just doesn't make sense.
The more I think about it, the more I want to believe my whole class just decided that my viewpoint (against homosexual marriage) was wrong, and that anything I said was going to be wrong, and that anyone who agreed with me was somehow narrow-minded.
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:03 am
I honestly don't believe that gay marriage is ever going to happen in this country beacuse there won't be enough people to vote for it. Even the liberals may have their reservations about homosexual relationships. The socialogical trend with this kind of thing is to fear it because it is not exactly known. No matter how cool you are with a certain group, because there's a shred of mystery with the group, you will tend to have fear that they are bad. Why do you think people have bad feelings about the Mormons and the Masons? People don't know everything, so we are distrusted.
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:05 am
Samantha_Grey I honestly don't believe that gay marriage is ever going to happen in this country beacuse there won't be enough people to vote for it. Even the liberals may have their reservations about homosexual relationships. The socialogical trend with this kind of thing is to fear it because it is not exactly known. No matter how cool you are with a certain group, because there's a shred of mystery with the group, you will tend to have fear that they are bad. Why do you think people have bad feelings about the Mormons and the Masons? People don't know everything, so we are distrusted. I wish it hadn't happened here. The Liberals legalized it before they lost power last year. PM Harper's going to hold a free vote it whether to do anything (such as an ammendment etc) on it later but even that is being shot down by the NDP/Librals. I swear, Canda's "opened mindness" and "minority rights" are goign to be our downfall! Already minority rights overrule majorities because people are pussyfutting around them so as not to slight anyone. It's pathetic. In Canada, I don't know about the states, but you can't say that you oppose same sex marriage without being called fascist, closed minded, homophobe, un-canadian etc.. but it's perfectly fine to condem all hetero people as homosexual haters scream /rant sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:35 am
Where to begin... I've had to deal with this sort of thing too. It's hard. I live very close to what is concidered the 'Gay and Lesbien' capitol of the states, and so it is something that is discussed a lot.
Two of my friends (One LDS, the other just had his first talk with the missionaries yesterday(he doesn't plan on joining, but I think he will...)) were discussing people that change their sex after already being married and having children etc. My LDS friend was trying to defend the church's veiw without looking like a hater or anything like that, and my other friend (who likes to look at things logically, and get to a correct end) was pointing out things for it. Needless to say I was a bit uncomfortable, mainly because I was not taking the class that they had together that brought up the discussion (Sociology or something like that).
My LDS friend's point was that it hurts the family, and the relationship between the couple because of one person's decision, and would likely mess up/destroy the family. I was trying to put together my thoughts to add more to that, but wasn't able to get them all together before they had to go to class. My other friend's thought was that if they both work together through the change then it shouldn't be a problem.
My thought was that if a child has two homosexual individuals that act as parents, how can they have a sense of being, (Knowing who they are and having a specific role moddle(sp) as one sex or another.) when they can't see the differences?
Now I realize that brings up a point, what happens to single parents who raise their children? Well I think that they still have at least that one side of the spectrum to look at, even if they don't have both role moddles in their home.
What do you all think?
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