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CW Hart

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:01 am


Ok I get it, I think. But you do seem alittle vague on your points. But just to let you know that's all I wanted it to be was a debate, so no hard feelings?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:31 am


Dark Regrets
CW what I mean about sexual preference....NOT CONSENT. OY. OBVIOUSLY, the sexual preference of a ***** is what he or she wants. Not necessary what the kid wants. That's what I'm getting at. NOT consent, ok? I GET IT. I KNOW. I'm stating the PREFERENCE. Listen to me for a second. confused

And we could get into a huge debate about the other stuff but I'mnot in the mood for arguing or debating about this. -sigh- You have your view, I have mine. I expressed my views. There we go.


No the sexual preferance of a ***** would be associated with the gender said ***** is interested in, not the age of the victim in question.

The idea of the discussion section is to discuss(what a novel concept). through debate we get all the ideas out in the open and learn about things. to let it lie before it is resolved is real a waste of time as then the issue will resurface again later.

Gaylord Mule 3


brad175

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 1:08 pm


I'm a little sick of this ignorance. God makes it painfully obvious in his word that homosexuality is sin. I will give you ample scriptural evidence of such and I will explain to you how you've taken "judgment" out of context.

Leviticus 18:22
Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable
Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
(keep in mind that this is under the old covenant, so the killing is justified)
Romans 1:26-27
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Romans 1:32
Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things
deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also
approve of those who practice them.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

There ya go. That was from both the old testament and the new testament. Both condemn homosexuality. In this country of ours, you may believe what you like, but know that Christianity and the practice of homosexuality do not mix. Don't even try to take that out of context. I will pm you and finish this! lol, I'm very sick of this.

Now for the so-called judgment. I wrote a blog about this and, due to the fact that I hate clicking on links and figure others do as well, I'll copy and paste it in here.


“Don’t Judge Me!”
A Sinner’s Ace in the Hole:


It has come to amaze me how so many people can support a book in which they have hardly or never read. I speak of the Bible, of course. A large number of people like the “good” parts of the Bible, such as love, peace, and Heaven. They do not, however, enjoy recognizing the more sobering aspects such as sacrifice, repentance, and condemnation. I am reminded of this phenomenon more and more whenever God’s words through me cause a non-believer to have a run-in with conviction.
Most of us know that we should not judge other people, though few know the definition of the word, according to the Bible of course. My purpose here isn’t to teach on judgment, but defining terms is necessary. The Bible teaches that we should accept all people.
Romans 14:1
Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters.
How do we accept each other? By not judging them.
Romans 14:2-3
One man’s faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him.
This is where everyone comes to understand that judging other people equals bad. However, the subject of judgment cannot be dropped quite yet. The people still don’t know exactly what it is yet!
Judgment: making fun, putting down, ridiculing, scoffing

There. A basic understanding for a basic concept. Yet people easily twist the meaning of judgment every day for a faulty method of accepting others. In our society today, people have developed a mentality that says, “Whatever floats your boat! If it feels good, do it! No one has a right to tell you otherwise!” Actions and behaviors that used to be considered obscene are now being embraced. In concentrated topics, people accept their brother’s sins, thinking that in this way they are abstaining from judgment. Only concerning sins that are universally unacceptable because of their strong impression on the conscience do people remember this: love the sinner, hate the sin. Is it possible to love someone, but hate what they do? Of course it is, though it may be hard in certain circumstances. Here are two hypothetical situations as an example:
Situation #1
Suppose I am sitting in an ordinary college classroom, surrounded by people on all sides. Now suppose that I shout something. I shout, “Murder is bad because it is a sin. Murderers should not murder!” After shouting, I would get strange looks from all around me for two reasons: I shouted spontaneously and I said something obvious.
Situation #2
In this situation, I am sitting in the same college classroom, surrounded by people just as before. The difference this time is what I am compelled to shout: “Homosexuality is bad because it is a sin. Homosexuals should not engage in sexual immorality!” Once again, everyone in the classroom is shocked for two reasons: My spontaneous shout and my “judgment” of homosexuals according to their ignorance. All of the sudden, people look at me as if I’ve said something foul. They glare at me and exclaim such things as “Homosexuals are people too! They should have a right to marry who they want to! You have no right to judge them!”

Are you starting to see my point? In the eyes of God, my part in both Situation #1 and #2 are the same. In both instances, I acknowledge loudly that a particular sin is bad. Is this not common sense, that sin is bad and should be hated just as God hates it?! Why is it that, though I basically took the same action in both situations, people reacted in so much more of a hostile manner when I spoke against homosexuality? The reason is simple. People have accepted homosexuality, just as so many have accepted other sins so as not to offend others or to justify themselves.

Do people really accuse others of being judgmental as their “ace in the hole?”
Let’s venture into another hypothetical situation.
Suppose I give personA a ten-question test, each question asking if personA has broken one of God’s ten commandments and asking for a “yes” or “no” answer. After having filled out the sheet, I tell personA that if he answered “yes” to any of the questions, then he is guilty of breaking God’s law and quite eligible for Hell unless he does something.

Uh oh! Here it comes! I can feel it!
“Don’t judge me!!! You’ve sinned too!!”
“You’re right that I have, but that doesn’t make it okay. Though I am guilty of breaking God’s law, I am considered righteous because I have accepted Jesus and his sacrifice for me into my life.”


Did I make my point clear enough? Thank you for your time ladies and gentlemen and goodnight!

I wanna address something else. Someone said "appeal to tradition." This claim is made out of ignorance. Correlation does not equal causation. Just because you could consider it "tradition" that a man and woman be together instead of the latter, does not mean that that is the reason true born-again Christians oppose homosexuality. The bible condemns homosexuality. That is the reason. Man and woman were made for each other, not man for man or woman for woman. Stop attempting to justify your own sin by taking my Lord's word out of context like crazy. And don't give me those bullcrap studies that are not close to being empirically proven, or even intelligible at that.
If you want homosexuality and Christianity, you can't have it. Go to one of those other religions. You know, the ones that let you do whatever the crap you want. At least then you won't be a hypocrite, closer to Hell than all.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:11 pm


I agree with brad (for once) on the "Don't judge me!" bit, but I remember a verse from the bible along the lines of "Judge not lest ye be judged" or something like that.

And for the potential Roman Catholics that are homosexual, go to Confession on a weekly basis.

METALFumasu


CW Hart

PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:57 pm


This might be off topic, but I feel like confession is unessasary. It seems to put another middle man besides Jesus, in the equation. I think the bible said that Jesus is the link between prayers and forgivness.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:29 pm


METALFumasu
I agree with brad (for once) on the "Don't judge me!" bit, but I remember a verse from the bible along the lines of "Judge not lest ye be judged" or something like that.

And for the potential Roman Catholics that are homosexual, go to Confession on a weekly basis.


Whether or not you check this or not, I'll never know. I'll say my peace anyways because homosexuality bothers me more than other things.

I'm only going to make a statement about your first paragraph, as I'm not Roman Catholic and I really don't feel qualified to say anything in their defence.

All I have to say is that this is not about judging people, this is about whether or not homosexuality is a sin. If someone wants to take that for me saying that they are sinning, I have no way of stopping them from doing that. Either they are being too defensive or they are feeling guilty about it. My stand point is that homosexuality is a sin, and if you want to know why look of the homosexuality thread on the main forum, it's close to the top.

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