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 Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:41 pm
Note to Moderators of this guild: I dont know if this belongs in a magick and psi research guild however I saw a post in this sub-forum about an Angel List so I assumed research of this type would be approved as well. If not please correct me so I know from now on ^.^
THINGS TO REMEMBER:
1) I am NOT claiming this to be true.
2) This is nothing more than a theory; I do not believe this and will not without much more proof.
3) Please feel free to discuss this in anyway you'd like, I'm eager to see what everybody thinks.
4) In this theory it relys on MY personaly beliefs, I'm not saying your beliefs are wrong, I'm only stating my own personal opinion. Please do not be offended or think I am trying to push anything on you.
5) For the Mods: If this is not the correct forum/sub-forum I aplogize ^.^
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Now, I dont know if this theory has been brought up before but...We'll start with this:
I believe that life, existance, ect is far too advanced to be created via evolution(however I do not doubt at all that we DO evolve). Yet I dont believe in a single god or goddess, I do not believe in the Christian God(YAHWEH[SP?] God, Jehovah, I am(for those that want to argue thats his name....and yes there are people are like that lol) but I do think that in some way we were created by god-like spirits, beings. Now say considering this, that the bible is merely the oldest history book that isnt inspired and edited by mankind through the years. Now imagine, that maybe the garden of eden DID exist, maybe Lilith WAS Adam's first wife. Now that we've taken all of this into consideration. It says in some myths thats Lilith rejected the fact that adam tried to force her to take the bottom position during sex and proceeded to "call upon the name of god" and leave the garden of eden to the red sea. Now consider this...what do we do when we invoke a spirit? We use it's name. I think that Lilith knew the name of one of the god-like spirits and invoked it in order to leave the garden of eden. Then the myths proceed to say(this part is taken from wikipedia btw):
"Lilith then went on to mate with Samael and various other demons she found beside the Red Sea, creating countless lilin. Adam urged God to bring Lilith back, so three angels were dispatched after her. When the angels, Senoy, Sansenoy, and Semangelof, made threats to kill one hundred of Lilith's demonic children for each day she stayed away, she countered that she would prey eternally upon the descendants of Adam and Eve, who could be saved only by invoking the names of the three angels. She did not return to Adam."
She mated with demons, thus giving birth to countless lilin(or Nephilim). If you add reincarnation to this theory, say when these Nephilim died(or were slain by the above said 3 angels) they reincarnated into human bodies. Now we have countless human bodies with the souls of nephilim, imagine the kind of power and energy a nephilim soul would contain, now try to cram that into a human body which already has so many limits. It would be like trying to pump a pipe with so much water under so much preassure, it would spring leaks or even burst. These leaks would leak everything, not just the excess. Which would explain why vampires need energy from external sources. Also notice how lilith said she would "prey ETERNALLY upon the decendants of Adam and Eve". Hmm? xD...anybody else getting this or should I put 2 and 2 together? Her decendants, Vampires, Nephilim crammed into a tiny container, needing to feed or prey upon mankind. This COULD also be an explanation for why we awaken usually during puberty. A pipe under preassure will hold out for a while, it wont burst immediatly, so it would take a fair ammount of time for the container to not be able to hold the soul's preassure anymore. Also with the body undergoing so many changes during this time, it could weaken the hypothetical "pipe" causing a perfect time for it to burst.
Anyway, just my own theory, I wanted to see what people thought of it. It would be a fairly logical explanation as to where we came from and also at the same time support the widespread belief that vampirism is in the soul not in the body itself.
Final note: once again, please do not be offended if this completely disregards your beliefs, I dont neccasarily believe this theory myself. That is why I continually refer to it as just that, a Theory.
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:07 am
Interesting ^^ Personally I don't agree at all with the Christian story of creation and I actually quite dislike the Christian God (though I do believe that the Bible still has many good moral lessons which aren't to be ignored). However even if the Bible were bunk, this theory could still easily apply to other ideas of creation biggrin The reincarnation of a demon-offspring in a human body springing a metaphorical "leak".
I've actually wondered for quite a while just what causes energy vampires. I know alot about their workings, and even know a tricks to consciously steal energy (should you not be a natural vampire) but I never understood what creates a natural vampire. In fact- I actually have a friend who's an energy vampire whee
Methinks we have a good theory here biggrin
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:32 am
ambrose_sallia Interesting ^^ Personally I don't agree at all with the Christian story of creation and I actually quite dislike the Christian God (though I do believe that the Bible still has many good moral lessons which aren't to be ignored). However even if the Bible were bunk, this theory could still easily apply to other ideas of creation biggrin The reincarnation of a demon-offspring in a human body springing a metaphorical "leak". I've actually wondered for quite a while just what causes energy vampires. I know alot about their workings, and even know a tricks to consciously steal energy (should you not be a natural vampire) but I never understood what creates a natural vampire. In fact- I actually have a friend who's an energy vampire whee Methinks we have a good theory here biggrin Thanks ^.^. I havnt been getting many replies yet lol, it's good to hear people's feelings and opinions on it. (and yea, I feel the same way you do when it comes to the "christian god")
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:09 am
Scarlet Joker ambrose_sallia Interesting ^^ Personally I don't agree at all with the Christian story of creation and I actually quite dislike the Christian God (though I do believe that the Bible still has many good moral lessons which aren't to be ignored). However even if the Bible were bunk, this theory could still easily apply to other ideas of creation biggrin The reincarnation of a demon-offspring in a human body springing a metaphorical "leak". I've actually wondered for quite a while just what causes energy vampires. I know alot about their workings, and even know a tricks to consciously steal energy (should you not be a natural vampire) but I never understood what creates a natural vampire. In fact- I actually have a friend who's an energy vampire whee Methinks we have a good theory here biggrin Thanks ^.^. I havnt been getting many replies yet lol, it's good to hear people's feelings and opinions on it. (and yea, I feel the same way you do when it comes to the "christian god") Ugh -_- I could start an entirely new sub-forum to discuss ways in which I loathe that Christian God. He claims himself perfect and infallible and yet he commits 3 of the "Seven Deadly Sins", and he states that he's a being of virtue yet he lacks one of the "Seven Heavenly Virtues". He lied about what Hell was like in order to scare people into joining a religion based on him solely because of his great vanity and PRIDE (one of the 3 "Deadly Sins" he commits). Not to mention that he contradicts himself and still believes himself perfect. He says outloud for everyone to hear "I shall never regret that which I do, for I am infallible." Then he says MANY times in the Bible "I regret that..." or "I feel regret that I have..." xp And of course FLCL had a fun story to share about the gods and the beginnings of the universe ^_^ You can look for his thread if you want. Personally I'm not sure of exactly how right it is (I'm not going to accept something as the one true law and worship the text daily when I don't even personally know the person) however his story had a good explanation for the differents GODS (plural) the created everything. The Christian god is that one vane god who thought he was better than everyone else and decided to rule over Earth x_x But we're going to kill him one day 3nodding Just you wait.
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:44 am
ambrose_sallia Scarlet Joker ambrose_sallia Interesting ^^ Personally I don't agree at all with the Christian story of creation and I actually quite dislike the Christian God (though I do believe that the Bible still has many good moral lessons which aren't to be ignored). However even if the Bible were bunk, this theory could still easily apply to other ideas of creation biggrin The reincarnation of a demon-offspring in a human body springing a metaphorical "leak". I've actually wondered for quite a while just what causes energy vampires. I know alot about their workings, and even know a tricks to consciously steal energy (should you not be a natural vampire) but I never understood what creates a natural vampire. In fact- I actually have a friend who's an energy vampire whee Methinks we have a good theory here biggrin Thanks ^.^. I havnt been getting many replies yet lol, it's good to hear people's feelings and opinions on it. (and yea, I feel the same way you do when it comes to the "christian god") Ugh -_- I could start an entirely new sub-forum to discuss ways in which I loathe that Christian God. He claims himself perfect and infallible and yet he commits 3 of the "Seven Deadly Sins", and he states that he's a being of virtue yet he lacks one of the "Seven Heavenly Virtues". He lied about what Hell was like in order to scare people into joining a religion based on him solely because of his great vanity and PRIDE (one of the 3 "Deadly Sins" he commits). Not to mention that he contradicts himself and still believes himself perfect. He says outloud for everyone to hear "I shall never regret that which I do, for I am infallible." Then he says MANY times in the Bible "I regret that..." or "I feel regret that I have..." xp And of course FLCL had a fun story to share about the gods and the beginnings of the universe ^_^ You can look for his thread if you want. Personally I'm not sure of exactly how right it is (I'm not going to accept something as the one true law and worship the text daily when I don't even personally know the person) however his story had a good explanation for the differents GODS (plural) the created everything. The Christian god is that one vane god who thought he was better than everyone else and decided to rule over Earth x_x But we're going to kill him one day 3nodding Just you wait. Ever heard the phrase "God's Wrath" or "Wrath of God" XD theres another one...But as for the hell one, the religions made that up not "God". The bible never refers to hell as a place of fiery torment. In fact, hell trasnlated = hades = sheol = grave lol so yea...it's people that totally blew that out of proportion. lmao...I'll have to find that story haha.
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:27 pm
Most theories I have heard refer to Lilith as a succubus and her children as succubi or incubi. Though this would mean that Lilith thus became a demon. Though no historical evidence I have found claims her as a demon, nor a vampire. Though your theory is possible, the only problem is they would have WAY too much energy going out meaning they would need MUCH MUCH more energy then what some need. Plus the human body adapts to change and while the body is forming and the soul is in it, wouldn’t the body change as well to support the mass energy. Though that leads to another problem if said lilin what a succubus or incubus wouldn’t they be like any other other kin? Though you also could argue there is no way to know how much energy is in the soul that would cause the pipe to burst, which could explain how much energy, or pranic said vampire needs.
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:56 pm
Well IF Lilith was indeed the first created woman on earth, I dont see how she could have became anything other than a human. However if the myth holds true about how she left the garden she was the first human to use magick. Even the decendants of her and the demons wouldnt have been demons(in a sense). They would be simply Nephilim, a diff form of human, giants and extremely powerful bodies to contain the soul.
As for the energy, you would only need to consume enough to maintain your health as a human body, not to maintain the energy within a fully encased Nephilim soul. Thus massivly lowering the ammount of energy that would be needed.
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:18 am
The Lilith you are referring to is in fact Lilith from Judeo-Christianity. In the fact that you say daemon are born of Lilith, Judeo-Christians beleive that Lilith was not obedient to Adam so God cast her out of Eden. Then she had kids with either Satan or Cain, depending on the text you read, and gave birth to humans, making us Lilim.
I am going to just throw it out there and say that your theory is entirely made up with almost no research done.
Your theory is very good though...but a theory at that.
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:44 pm
[Raito] The Lilith you are referring to is in fact Lilith from Judeo-Christianity. In the fact that you say daemon are born of Lilith, Judeo-Christians beleive that Lilith was not obedient to Adam so God cast her out of Eden. Then she had kids with either Satan or Cain, depending on the text you read, and gave birth to humans, making us Lilim. I am going to just throw it out there and say that your theory is entirely made up with almost no research done. Your theory is very good though...but a theory at that. An unsupported theory is a hypothess. ^_^ Though I do think that this is a nice idea, [BlkCat]! Didn't someone else post this idea up before?
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:40 pm
Khalida Nyoka [Raito] The Lilith you are referring to is in fact Lilith from Judeo-Christianity. In the fact that you say daemon are born of Lilith, Judeo-Christians beleive that Lilith was not obedient to Adam so God cast her out of Eden. Then she had kids with either Satan or Cain, depending on the text you read, and gave birth to humans, making us Lilim. I am going to just throw it out there and say that your theory is entirely made up with almost no research done. Your theory is very good though...but a theory at that. An unsupported theory is a hypothess. ^_^ Though I do think that this is a nice idea, [BlkCat]! Didn't someone else post this idea up before? Thanks, and I'm not sure, but I posted it on multiple guilds at the time. Also XD I've kinda dropped my support of the theory in itself XD.
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