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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 3:07 am
Guys! I just sparred with my buddy and for some messed up reason my punches have gotten weaker! I mean he couldn't even feel them. I tried hard to get better and my fists have gotten faster but they are damm near useless. I have tried alot of things to improve, push-ups, benchpressing, shoulder presses but I have gotten weaker. Does anybody have some advice on improving punching power or different forms that can improve power. I am 5'9" and weigh 169 lbs.
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 3:55 am
And another thing please. If you have advice you can PM me if you wish, thank you. biggrin
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 4:06 am
Gloglablyn Guys! I just sparred with my buddy and for some messed up reason my punches have gotten weaker! I mean he couldn't even feel them. I tried hard to get better and my fists have gotten faster but they are damm near useless. I have tried alot of things to improve, push-ups, benchpressing, shoulder presses but I have gotten weaker. Does anybody have some advice on improving punching power or different forms that can improve power. I am 5'9" and weigh 169 lbs. I kinda have something similar, well OK here's what I suggest. You either, a)compensate the lack of striking with grappling or b)get formal training to help with the form of your punches. Sounds silly, but I doubt you can actually get weaker while doing more excercise so maybe your punches are being swung in a way that's ineffective. Perhaps some boxing training would be best.
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 6:31 am
Get your arse down to a boxing gym.
That'll sort you out in no time.
If not then get yourself a decent punch bag. The only way your going to get good at punching is by punching.
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Delmar_Denban Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 4:32 pm
Are you still punching with proper form? Alot of the power in punches comes from torque in your hips and using the rest of your body. If you've stopped throwing your hips into punches, that could explain your drop in power. If you're not using your rotational power, then you're just throwing a lot of weak jabs.
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 5:33 pm
Jass sent me this drill for punching power a long, long time ago. =) Jass Heres the drill on punching power, its developed around the straight lead punch, though obviously it can be adapted towards other punches, its a short drill yet I believe its consice and easy to understand, it also inclues a more indepth look at the bai jong and peripheral vision, I think I should get one written down about kicking and efficent moving aswell...that would be good lol. Punching Drill 1. Assume the Bai Jong position. We'll start with the bottom upwards as thats the easiest way to learn. Your foot positioning is what we call angular, in that both feet face towards the opponents centreline, they should be about 1.5 times your shoulder widths apart, though thats not written in stone, you want your knees to be bent to the point where your groin isn't an easy target that you can't defend in time. The toes of your lead foot should be tilting inwards slightly (towards the imaginary wall running bewteen your legs etc)and the toes of your backfoot should be outwards slightly, also the back heel should be raised about 45* from the floor, this should serve as your "trigger" one could say. Though not at the extent of your weight distribution. Your waist should be tilted foward slightly, around 30* (whats commonly reffered to as "a boxers crouch"), your head shoulder be tilted foward slightly, closing the gap from your chin over your throat to the point where your back fist can remove your throat as a target, this is where you should now perform a vision check - your peripheral vision should reach from the tip of your lead foot, to your would be opponents face. Your back arm is obviously bent at the elbow, its hand should cover the lessened opening of your throat though not be pressed to far back so as to be pinned against you. The elbow of your lead arm should be infront of your lead side ribs, there should be a gap bewteen 4-6 inches maintaned bewteen them, even after your fist has shot out and struck the attacker, you should seek to retain that measure as quickly as possible. Your hands should be in loosely clenched fists, as these can be shot out quicker. 2. Move your leading arm (this stance works powerside foward)outwards,in a light fist along a vertical line, your elbow should be as close to the centre line without sacrificing any of your good attributes (balance etc) and will also make the attack harder to stop (trust me), the assault should be lead by your bottom three knuckles. 3. As you make contact with the punch bag, slightly "c**k" your wrist so that only the very last knuckle touches the bag, remember to at first do this lightly though and slowly, learn the technique with good form, then add speed and power. 4. Remember to do this sequence relaxed, this is because: - The movement will be executed fluidly without any excess muscular tension, this creates the arcing light movement which will redirect the bag/opponents rebound back against the wall rather then at you. - The lack of stiffness in the arm makes it harder for the opponent to make his counter, also it allows for much greater penetration from the punch as your snapping past the point of impact and thusly greater damage 5. How much of these you do is upto you, I would say do around 15 minutes a day, most students prefer to do around 1000reps, You simply need to get form, and then get speed/power from the movements, then just practice at a rate in which it continues to get refined. 6. Visualisation, imagine that your body is at the wide end of a tunnel, and as you move closer to your target the tunnel becomes smaller, and thus your fist strikes at the end of the tunnel...your target...with 100% of its force, you could also mark the spot on the bag you wish to strike, though the visualiation technique does not work for everyone, but it does most. Jass
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 8:54 pm
Wow eek . Thanks everyone. I never knew those forms because of the bullshido I was exposed to. Using the torque, very nice.
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 3:17 am
CelestialDreamz Jass sent me this drill for punching power a long, long time ago. =) Hey thats quality, maybe it could be included in a sticky, not sure which one tho, its still little cluttered despite an attempted clean up, maybe we could have one entitled 'the basics' where people can post things like this, basic punching, kicking etc. I wonder what Jass' opinion of horizontal fist punching is.. I'd do this drill like this: Very similar stance, only difference I could see is not having the rear heal too far off the floor. The punch comes out in exactly the same way, a loosely clenched vertical fist travelling in a straight line towards the target (relaxation is important). But then at the last millisecond before impact you twist the shoulders and hips into it and rotate the fist so its horizontal, punching with the first two knuckles. Then withdraw it in exactly the same way in reverse, making sure you pull it in as fast as you send it out. Relaxation is the key, you're punching with the body not the arm. The arm should be ever so slightly bent at the moment of impact, which you then straighten and twist into the target. Unless you've done lots of conditioning (or you've got gloves on) your knuckles you should start to sting within a punch or three. In TKD when you're working on the bag its supposed to be free hanging and not held in place so it should be moving a fair ammount when you hit it so you can work on your timing and ranging at the same time
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 6:41 am
Well punches are my specalty - odd for a TKDst I know, but I was always an unorthidox fighter, I do what works.
My best advice is to get your shoulder behind it, while alot of the 'proper' forms say to use your hips - they aint got the same, tried and true, battle tested asswhup of a soild, shoulder-heavy slug to the jaw.
Now the downside to this is most people want ot throw a hook when they use thier shoudlers, but let me share a trade secret to you.
I foudn that using a modifed lugnign puch you can acheive a series of devistating blows.
When you are sparring, start to advance on your opponent, now you want to start the swing when your corrisponding foot is in your backstep, bring the opposite arm up in a half Boxer's guard to be ready to ward off any attempts to retaliate with a quick outer forarm or knifehand block.
Now you need to be quick with your foot work or a skilled grappler with mosh your as swith this form, step UP a bit, rather then forward, and then come down HARD on that foot while both moving foward, and executing said punch at a slight downward angle, aimed at either thier throat, solar plexus, or a softer spot on thier face if you get the chance, you'll put about 1.8 times your normal body mass of your standard punches into this blow and it lands like a veritable ton of bricks, I've knocked equal sized opponents sprawling by plant one of thosein thier Plexus. And the way you land sets up a pefect lattice for a second swing with the opposite arm.
If you can keep it up your opponent will be too busy trying to keep from getting his nose splattered across your knukcles to put up more then defense.
This punch proves that sometimes gravity IS your friend, I dont know if its an offical form somewhere, but I called it the Anvil....cause belive me, thats what it feels like.
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 10:16 pm
Vincent Darkholme Well punches are my specalty - odd for a TKDst I know, but I was always an unorthidox fighter, I do what works. My best advice is to get your shoulder behind it, while alot of the 'proper' forms say to use your hips - they aint got the same, tried and true, battle tested asswhup of a soild, shoulder-heavy slug to the jaw. Now the downside to this is most people want ot throw a hook when they use thier shoudlers, but let me share a trade secret to you. I foudn that using a modifed lugnign puch you can acheive a series of devistating blows. When you are sparring, start to advance on your opponent, now you want to start the swing when your corrisponding foot is in your backstep, bring the opposite arm up in a half Boxer's guard to be ready to ward off any attempts to retaliate with a quick outer forarm or knifehand block. Now you need to be quick with your foot work or a skilled grappler with mosh your as swith this form, step UP a bit, rather then forward, and then come down HARD on that foot while both moving foward, and executing said punch at a slight downward angle, aimed at either thier throat, solar plexus, or a softer spot on thier face if you get the chance, you'll put about 1.8 times your normal body mass of your standard punches into this blow and it lands like a veritable ton of bricks, I've knocked equal sized opponents sprawling by plant one of thosein thier Plexus. And the way you land sets up a pefect lattice for a second swing with the opposite arm. If you can keep it up your opponent will be too busy trying to keep from getting his nose splattered across your knukcles to put up more then defense. This punch proves that sometimes gravity IS your friend, I dont know if its an offical form somewhere, but I called it the Anvil....cause belive me, thats what it feels like. WOW whee ! That is awesome. Maybe more brutish maneuvers could give me the advantage when the fists start flying. Except for the fact that my sparring buddy is taller than me and bigger too. But this technique when executed at the right time, will probably do the trick. Thanks alot Vincent.
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 11:34 pm
Gloglablyn WOW whee ! That is awesome. Maybe more brutish maneuvers could give me the advantage when the fists start flying. Except for the fact that my sparring buddy is taller than me and bigger too. But this technique when executed at the right time, will probably do the trick. Thanks alot Vincent. aim for his Solar Plexus. Its the spot where his ribs meet his abdomen. If ou hit it just right you'll deflate his lungs for a moment, and that HURTS and will stun ANYONE.
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 12:05 pm
Vincent Darkholme Gloglablyn WOW whee ! That is awesome. Maybe more brutish maneuvers could give me the advantage when the fists start flying. Except for the fact that my sparring buddy is taller than me and bigger too. But this technique when executed at the right time, will probably do the trick. Thanks alot Vincent. aim for his Solar Plexus. Its the spot where his ribs meet his abdomen. If ou hit it just right you'll deflate his lungs for a moment, and that HURTS and will stun ANYONE. I can attest to that. My kung fu instructor was demonstrating to me and the one other person in the class an elbow strike. He used me as an example, and lightly, just lightly, elbowed me in the solarplexis. Knocked the wind out of me pretty good. So yes, a punch like that in that spot will definately do some damage.
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 3:51 pm
Delmar_Denban Get your arse down to a boxing gym. That'll sort you out in no time. If not then get yourself a decent punch bag. The only way your going to get good at punching is by punching. Truth.
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:13 am
As others have said, I think the most important thing is definitely using your body in the punches. They'll teach you that in boxing. The footwoork can also be important and goes hand in hand with that. If you aren't properly positoned, you're off balance and you don't generate as much power. Another thing that a boxing gym will teach you.
Also, as far as muscle groups, I'm not one-hundred percent sure about this, but I hear that the main muscle groups used in punching are the triceps and shoulders. So if you're gonna work anything, it'd probably be those. Benching, push-ups pretty much work everything minimally, but mainly the chest. You should try and isolate your shoulders and triceps if you're looking to build some muscle up there in order to get some more power behind your punches.
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