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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:11 pm
I'm taking these straight out of my Bible, so I acknowledge Nelson for the notes. I will be inputing my own info as I go along, but those will be in a separate colour as you will observed. We have to 'Know our faith so we can Show it, as well as these are put here for anyone who wanders in curiously.
arrow Adam's sin caused a separation between God and humankind.
'Therefore, just as through one man [Adam] sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned' (Rom 5:12)
We can't understand what salvation is without understanding sin. Otherwise, we couldn't answer what we're saved from. Sin is that which is opposed to God. Sin is when we do something that is wrong, or that the Bible tells us not to. God is sinless, and He cannot tolerate sin. Prior to Adam and Eve's sin (Gen 3), they had a great relationship with God- they walked and talked with Him. But their sin placed a wedge in their relationship with God that caused their separation from Him and that case them into spiritual darkness.
As children of Adam, we have inherited the sin nature. We are inclined to sin and often find ourselves doing what is not right in God's eyes. All of us are separated from God and need to have this gap filled if we are to experience the relationship with Him, which He intended from the beginning.
arrow God shed blood to cover Adam's sin.
'Also for Adam and his wife the Lord God made tunics of skin and clothed them.(Gen 3:21)
I am going to input another scripture or two right here.
[In fact] under the Law almost everything is purified by means of blood, and without the shedding of blood there is neither release from sin and its guilt nor the remission of the due and merited punishment for sins. (Heb 9:22)
For the wages of sin is death...(excerpt from Romans 6:23)
Because of Adam and Eve's sin, they became ashamed of their nakedness: they felt they were "uncovered" before God. Realizing that they had sinned by doing something God had told them not to do, they wanted to hide from and not be seen by Him. (After sinning, they felt like... how we'd feel when our 'dirty laundry is hung out in public'...before they had no 'dirty laundry' to keep hidden It is my understanding that they didn't know what exactly they needed covering from, so they attempted to hide themselves physically, which was insufficient.) This passage shows God covering them by making clothes from skin of animals. The animals, of course, would have had to be killed inorder for God to do this. This is the Bible's first record of the shedding of blood, and it was shed to cover human sin. This is very significant, because it shows God's standard - that sin must be paid for by death. We see this later in the development of the Old Testament sacrificial system and, ultimately, in Jesus' blood being shed on the cross for the salvation of all who would accept His gift. We can be free from sin because Jesus' blood paid the price to be the covering for us.
arrow Jesus came and lived on earth as a man.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
The "Word" mentioned here is Jesus. Jesus became flesh and lived with us. It is important for us to understand that God desires to have relationship with His people. He does not want to cut off all contact because of sin. In fact, that causes Him great pain. God wants so much to have relationship restored with man that He sent Jesus to live among us. He is a personal God. What greater example of God's reaching out to humankind could there possibly be?
When Jesus was on earth, He experience the same temptations we face, but He did not give in to them. He encountered the same pressures that we do, but He did not fall prey to them. He experienced being hated and ridiculed by His peers and; and finally, He was crucified - nailed to a cross. There can be no question that a God who would endure such pain as this and still lay down His life to save human souls is a loving God who desires, at great cost, to have relationship with His people.
arrow Jesus gave His life as a final sacrifice for all who believe.
We have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all (Heb 10:10)
In God's great love for people, He sent His Son to be the final sacrifice for sin. Otherwise, there could have been no end to humankind's constant state of guilt and depression, knowing they could never live up to God's standards. Since God wanted restoration in His relationship with man, He ofference the perfect sacrifice to take care of sin once and for all - and that was His Son, Jesus. This one final sacrifice took care of allsin - past, present, and future.
arrow Jesus' resurrection guarantees eternal life.
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live." (John 11:25)
Equally important as Jesus' sacrifical death is His resurrection. The fact that He rose from the grave is the great physical evidence that separates Him from being just another martyr who died for a cause. The darkness of death had no hold over Jesus; and since He was able to conquer death, He is able to guarantee eternal life to those who believe in Him. The blood of Jesus was shed on the cross to pay the price for our sin; and His resurrection from the dead guarantees us eternal life. Although we still die a physical death from this life, we can live eternally in heaven if we claim Jesus' victory as our own. By receiving Him and Lord and Saviour, we are guaranteed eternal life with God.
arrow Salvation cannot be earn through works, but is a gift of grace.
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lets anyone should boast. (Eph 2: 8-9)
We are taught from childhood that we can only have what we can earn. No wonder we feel that way about salvation, too! We think that the more good deeds we do, or the nicer we are, the better our relationship with God will be. Actually, this way of looking at salvation cheapens the work Christ accomplished through His death and resurrection. When Jesus became the final sacrifice for sin, He finished the work! Our own goodness has no bearing on our salvation; that is God's gift.
It is as though someone offered you a huge gift - one that on your own you would never be able to afford. Although you might gladly accept such a gift, you would do so, knowing that you could never repay it. That is the way it is with salvation. Because we cannot pay for it on our own, Jesus paid the price once and for all and offers it to us as a free gift. All we have to do it accept it.
arrow It will make a difference in the way we live our lives.
Thus also faith by itself, it if does not have works, is dead (James 2:17)
Therefor, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. (2 Cor 5:17)
Although we cannot work to pay for our own salvation, it is true that it will change the way we live. When we make the decision to accept the gift of salvation, we then becoem new cretures. We are no longer ruled by the sinful nature that once controlled us, but we become open to change because of the great work that Jesus Christ has done for us.
The two Bible passages above state that there may be a difference in the way we lives after we accept the gift of salvation. This may have to do with big areas in our lives, such as career decisions or relationships. Or it may have to do with smaller areas, such as the kind of language we use or the kind of entertainment we take part in. Whether the changes are large or small in out lives, our new relationship with Christ will free us to be what He wants us to be. We will be excited about the possibilities of making ourselves available to God for whatever He wants us to do and about letting others know of the great gift of salvation that is available to them, too!
Each of these seven points leads us to understand that salvation is something we really need and are not able to obtain on our own. but God has provided a way, and that way is Jesus Christ. Once we have opened ourselves to receive what Jesus' death and resurrection have done for us, we will be changed and the change will be obvious to others.
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:42 am
Oh, yeah! This is a place for comments to add on how accepting Jesus totally changed your life forever? Cool!
smile Well, it is true that accepting Jesus and the gift of salvation really changes things, like what you do and how you do things. I used to watch BET, but now I don't (I tried to watch it one time, but I didn't like it like I used to. Strange.) ninja There was something else that I used to like to do, read astrology. . . but for a strange reason, it was no longer interesting. eek Must've been Jesus for sure. eek
*suspenseful music*
All the sinful nonsense that I loved, even lusting in my thoughts, now I have no desire (but occasionally, I have to struggle with my innate human nature). confused Somethings you just have a sudden dislike for, that dislike may be because of the way Jesus is rearranging your heart. The changes felt sudden, but good. I really felt like a "new man" inside. 3nodding Not only is Jesus rearranging your heart, but if you read the Holy Scriptures, you'll learn from Him how to live holy (with the help of your pastor and the church to learn from also, because hopefully most know His guidelines and the way He lived). 3nodding It's also good to make friends in the church, to help you on your walk with God. You don't necessarily have to be by yourself with God. Having good company, especially from church, can make your walk that much more meaningful because they can help you. wink
I LOVE MAKING TESTIMONIES IN MY GAIAN CHURCH. . .how come I can't seem to make any in my other church in REALITY? xp I don't even know if this is a testimony. . . HEY!?! sweatdrop xp
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:08 pm
Wow - ASHA - this was very concise and truthful and to the point. Thank you. You wrapped up the importance and our need of salvation so well!! Thank you for laying down an extremely important foundation of our walk with Jesus - the living Christ - our big brother who is also the King of Kings!!
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:22 pm
beaufleur Wow - ASHA - this was very concise and truthful and to the point. Thank you. You wrapped up the importance and our need of salvation so well!! Thank you for laying down an extremely important foundation of our walk with Jesus - the living Christ - our big brother who is also the King of Kings!! Most of it was quoted straight from Nelson; I only expanded on certain areas. However, I felt it was necessary for this to be here.
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:33 pm
ancient-bennu beaufleur Wow - ASHA - this was very concise and truthful and to the point. Thank you. You wrapped up the importance and our need of salvation so well!! Thank you for laying down an extremely important foundation of our walk with Jesus - the living Christ - our big brother who is also the King of Kings!! Most of it was quoted straight from Nelson; I only expanded on certain areas. However, I felt it was necessary for this to be here. I agree, you did a wonderful job- as God's mercenary. ^^ It's nice to remember the reason we're all here, from time to time. whee
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:38 am
Did I forget to say thank you for posting this? 3nodding Okay: THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!! mrgreen mrgreen mrgreen This sort of reminded me of how precious salvation is. You should never treat it like a cheap thing and throw it to dogs. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:21 am
I have a question.
How exactly does the Holy Trinity work? I mean, I think I know, but I never asked anybody to make sure. What is it, exactly? The way I see it is first there was the Lord. When Adam and Eve sinned, He thought of sending a savior, but He didn't do it right away. When the time came, He impregnated mary with the Holy Spirit, which means Jesus is a man, but He has the EXACT qualities of God and the same athourity. But, since He's also a human, He's a few human qualilties, like fearing death and free will and respecting God over himself. But since He has the Spirit of God, and is exaclty like God, He did nothing wrong and did everything right and did miracles and forgave sins and taught people for the Lord. In that way, He is God, but separate from God, The Holy spirit is of course the Lord, because that's His spirit. Is that correct? or did I do I misunderstand something?
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:16 am
Hayabashi 2 I have a question. How exactly does the Holy Trinity work? I mean, I think I know, but I never asked anybody to make sure. What is it, exactly? The way I see it is first there was the Lord. When Adam and Eve sinned, He thought of sending a savior, but He didn't do it right away. When the time came, He impregnated mary with the Holy Spirit, which means Jesus is a man, but He has the EXACT qualities of God and the same athourity. But, since He's also a human, He's a few human qualilties, like fearing death and free will and respecting God over himself. But since He has the Spirit of God, and is exaclty like God, He did nothing wrong and did everything right and did miracles and forgave sins and taught people for the Lord. In that way, He is God, but separate from God, The Holy spirit is of course the Lord, because that's His spirit. Is that correct? or did I do I misunderstand something? Interesting question, and I have an explanation (for some things, at least as I'm still trying to figure it out entirely myself. I may very well end up trying all my life till I just get the chance to ask God myself). First of all, the Trinity consists of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. We all know that much, so let's get to the hard stuff. The Son was present before He was incarnated as a human through the pregnancy of Mary by the Holy Spirit. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.In verse 14, it is made known that the Word is Jesus before He was...well... Jesus! And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truthJust wanted to clear that little part up first... now on for the clarification (well, as much as I can give and I pray that the Holy Spirit takes control of my fingers as I type this.) There is one God. Amen? The Father...The Son...and the Holy Spirit are three expressions of this One God. It's easiest to think of them as... non-contradictory alter egos... The Father: arrow The Creator arrow The Judge arrow The One who awards blessings arrow The One whose Will governs the running of things (Kind of like... the Head Honcho) arrow The...well... Father The Son: arrow The Spoken Word of God arrow The means by which all things were created arrow Went on to become flesh and the mediator between God and Man arrow Submits to the Will of the Father arrow Went on to be the Redeemer, Perfect Atonement and Bringer of Life arrow Went back to Heaven to intercede on our behalfs arrow The Bridegroom The Holy Spirit: arrow The breath of life [interjection] To explain that it has to be noted that spiritual death was the separation of man from God. After the fall of man, man no longer had the Holy Spirit dwelling within him. We become alive again after being born again.[/interjection] arrow The One who allows us humans to tap into the power and gifts of the Divine. [interjection 1] Note that Christ did not begin His ministry until the power of the Holy Spirit came down upon Him. Nor did He send His disciples out, but rather told them to wait on the Holy Spirit.[/interjection 1][interjection 2]There is a difference between having the Holy Spirit and the endowment of the power of the Holy Spirit. Every believer has the Holy Spirit living within them. He allows for our convictions and guides us, conselors us, comforts us..etc. But one has to be endowed with the power of the Holy Spirit (which only comes by asking and/or by complete submission to Him) to use the gifts He gives specially to us (See 1 Corinthians 12 for the gifts.). This latter is referred to as the baptism of the Holy Spirit (See Acts 1:3-8 and 2:1-8, I believe)[/interjection 2] arrow Comforter arrow Convictor arrow Counselor arrow Guide arrow Anything that's written that I may have left out. sweatdrop heart Though we have the three expressions, They all have the same characteristics, as They are One. Think of a person that is the same, and has three different costumes... and based on what costume they are wearing that's their work and job to perform. But not only is this person able to have three different jobs/positions, He is able to split Himself up into three so that He could do all at once so everything is always taken care of! mrgreen (Isn't He the most awesomestest? xd ) Makes some sort of sense maybe...? I tried... sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:08 pm
Also adding in a few things to what I said in reply to you James.
I don't think Christ actually feared death. The most heart-wrenching moment of Jesus was the moment He was separated for God. Can you imagine being with God...forever; forever in fellowship with Him and suddenly losing that? We grow up feeling empty when we don't know the Lord. And when we feel like we've lost Him (even when we haven't) that alone is rattling for us. We've experienced it to that extext, though He has NEVER left us and NEVER will! But the moment Christ went up on the cross, all the sins, past, present and future of everybody were thrown upon Him and because God (the Father, at this moment) cannot dwell where sin is, He had to turn His back on Him too.
Also, God didn't sent Jesus right away because He had to work everything out and do it in the fullness of time. There were prophesies to be said, covenants to be made, forerunners to be brought forth and alot of other things or else no one would have recognized Him as the Christ... and there also would not have been that appreciation for Him as Lord and Saviour, nor the appreciation of Yahweh as Adonai. We wouln't have the Word to help us, like we do now, nor know the signs of the Messiah...etc.
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:18 pm
ancient-bennu Also adding in a few things to what I said in reply to you James. I don't think Christ actually feared death. The most heart-wrenching moment of Jesus was the moment He was separated for God. Can you imagine being with God...forever; forever in fellowship with Him and suddenly losing that? We grow up feeling empty when we don't know the Lord. And when we feel like we've lost Him (even when we haven't) that alone is rattling for us. We've experienced it to that extext, though He has NEVER left us and NEVER will! But the moment Christ went up on the cross, all the sins, past, present and future of everybody were thrown upon Him and because God (the Father, at this moment) cannot dwell where sin is, He had to turn His back on Him too. Also, God didn't sent Jesus right away because He had to work everything out and do it in the fullness of time. There were prophesies to be said, covenants to be made, forerunners to be brought forth and alot of other things or else no one would have recognized Him as the Christ... and there also would not have been that appreciation for Him as Lord and Saviour, nor the appreciation of Yahweh as Adonai. We wouln't have the Word to help us, like we do now, nor know the signs of the Messiah...etc. Oh yeah, I get that. I worded that wrong. I knew that's how the Holy Trinity worked! It's God in three persons. Thank you for this, sis. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:31 pm
Hayabashi 2 ancient-bennu Also adding in a few things to what I said in reply to you James. I don't think Christ actually feared death. The most heart-wrenching moment of Jesus was the moment He was separated for God. Can you imagine being with God...forever; forever in fellowship with Him and suddenly losing that? We grow up feeling empty when we don't know the Lord. And when we feel like we've lost Him (even when we haven't) that alone is rattling for us. We've experienced it to that extext, though He has NEVER left us and NEVER will! But the moment Christ went up on the cross, all the sins, past, present and future of everybody were thrown upon Him and because God (the Father, at this moment) cannot dwell where sin is, He had to turn His back on Him too. Also, God didn't sent Jesus right away because He had to work everything out and do it in the fullness of time. There were prophesies to be said, covenants to be made, forerunners to be brought forth and alot of other things or else no one would have recognized Him as the Christ... and there also would not have been that appreciation for Him as Lord and Saviour, nor the appreciation of Yahweh as Adonai. We wouln't have the Word to help us, like we do now, nor know the signs of the Messiah...etc. Oh yeah, I get that. I worded that wrong. I knew that's how the Holy Trinity worked! It's God in three persons. Thank you for this, sis. 3nodding I hope it helped clear some stuff up? Funnily enough, it's just what I had read on last night.
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:38 pm
ancient-bennu Hayabashi 2 ancient-bennu Also adding in a few things to what I said in reply to you James. I don't think Christ actually feared death. The most heart-wrenching moment of Jesus was the moment He was separated for God. Can you imagine being with God...forever; forever in fellowship with Him and suddenly losing that? We grow up feeling empty when we don't know the Lord. And when we feel like we've lost Him (even when we haven't) that alone is rattling for us. We've experienced it to that extext, though He has NEVER left us and NEVER will! But the moment Christ went up on the cross, all the sins, past, present and future of everybody were thrown upon Him and because God (the Father, at this moment) cannot dwell where sin is, He had to turn His back on Him too. Also, God didn't sent Jesus right away because He had to work everything out and do it in the fullness of time. There were prophesies to be said, covenants to be made, forerunners to be brought forth and alot of other things or else no one would have recognized Him as the Christ... and there also would not have been that appreciation for Him as Lord and Saviour, nor the appreciation of Yahweh as Adonai. We wouln't have the Word to help us, like we do now, nor know the signs of the Messiah...etc. Oh yeah, I get that. I worded that wrong. I knew that's how the Holy Trinity worked! It's God in three persons. Thank you for this, sis. 3nodding I hope it helped clear some stuff up? Funnily enough, it's just what I had read on last night. Definitely! I didn't quite know a few things. I've been tormented as of late with false teachings all around me, and I needed to hear this. I thank you VERY much.
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:52 pm
Hayabashi 2 ancient-bennu Hayabashi 2 ancient-bennu Also adding in a few things to what I said in reply to you James. I don't think Christ actually feared death. The most heart-wrenching moment of Jesus was the moment He was separated for God. Can you imagine being with God...forever; forever in fellowship with Him and suddenly losing that? We grow up feeling empty when we don't know the Lord. And when we feel like we've lost Him (even when we haven't) that alone is rattling for us. We've experienced it to that extext, though He has NEVER left us and NEVER will! But the moment Christ went up on the cross, all the sins, past, present and future of everybody were thrown upon Him and because God (the Father, at this moment) cannot dwell where sin is, He had to turn His back on Him too. Also, God didn't sent Jesus right away because He had to work everything out and do it in the fullness of time. There were prophesies to be said, covenants to be made, forerunners to be brought forth and alot of other things or else no one would have recognized Him as the Christ... and there also would not have been that appreciation for Him as Lord and Saviour, nor the appreciation of Yahweh as Adonai. We wouln't have the Word to help us, like we do now, nor know the signs of the Messiah...etc. Oh yeah, I get that. I worded that wrong. I knew that's how the Holy Trinity worked! It's God in three persons. Thank you for this, sis. 3nodding I hope it helped clear some stuff up? Funnily enough, it's just what I had read on last night. Definitely! I didn't quite know a few things. I've been tormented as of late with false teachings all around me, and I needed to hear this. I thank you VERY much. That's what we're here for. heart
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:49 pm
wow.. eek Well said, Asha-chan! mrgreen
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