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 Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:07 pm
Wolverine5 SpiralRasengan Wolverine5 Slixer Wolverine5 With all due respect, I believe that Itachi would win over Lee, in base experience alone. Itachi is a genius that outranks both Sasuke and Negi together. He became a Captain of an Anub cell at the age of 12. However it was not for just his kekki genki, otherwise Sasuke and Negi would be atleast Jonin by the time of the Chunin exam's. Plus, although the gates are a strong technique, Itachi has had a lot of experience on the battlefield, it's more than likely he's seen that technique, coppied it, and found out it's flaws, how to exploit those flaws and how to counter that technique. While Lee is cool, it would not be wise to use the gate tech. against a battle hardened opponent. At most all Lee can hope for is to kill Itachi by killing himself. I can't see anyway for Lee to walk away from this fight. Sorry... sweatdrop isnt the gates a taijustsu so itachi cant copy it Sasuke copied Lee's attack without knowing it, so why not Itachi? Kekkei Genkai (Bloodline Trait) is the only thing the Sharingan can't copy. It be clear Taijutsu is the easiest for the sharingan to copy, since its all Stamina, no Chakara! Some else out there actually knows something about Naruto!!!! crying crying *cries in happiness* Anyway, the battle would have to be determined by several factors: 1.) Would Lee already be using Eight-Gates Manipulation? 2.) Would Lee actually be fighting Itachi? (this makes sense if you've read the manga) 3.) Would Itachi have enough stamina to use the Sharingan? Considering all these factors,it's probably more likely that Itachi will win. If Lee has to open any number of gates, Itachi will have been able to use his Mangekyou Sharingan to kill/mentally scar Lee. True, however, Itachi may not need to use the Sharingan at all. If Lee were to fight Itachi, he would surly have to use the Eight gates of life, however, as we saw during the battle against Garra, the time between opening the first gate and the second is, during the middle of a battle, extream to say the least, and although Garra was toying with Lee during that time, Itachi won't. That is the main problem with the eight gates, although it is incredibly strong, it has more weaknesses than Garras sand armor. Lee should be taught a better technique, Has anyone seen the Jet Li movie "Kiss of the Dragon"? The moves Jet Li made, and the style he used would be perfect! Lee would have to condition his mind, but the use of accupunctor(sic) needles, would be a great benifit to him in the end. mrgreen Yeah, probably. xd It's possible that if Lee were to reach a certain level of mastery, he could probably open the gates rather rapidly. But I'm not completely sure on this point. And anyway, if Lee were to open all the gates, he wouldn't leave the battle.
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:46 pm
SpiralRasengan Wolverine5 SpiralRasengan Wolverine5 Slixer Wolverine5 With all due respect, I believe that Itachi would win over Lee, in base experience alone. Itachi is a genius that outranks both Sasuke and Negi together. He became a Captain of an Anub cell at the age of 12. However it was not for just his kekki genki, otherwise Sasuke and Negi would be atleast Jonin by the time of the Chunin exam's. Plus, although the gates are a strong technique, Itachi has had a lot of experience on the battlefield, it's more than likely he's seen that technique, coppied it, and found out it's flaws, how to exploit those flaws and how to counter that technique. While Lee is cool, it would not be wise to use the gate tech. against a battle hardened opponent. At most all Lee can hope for is to kill Itachi by killing himself. I can't see anyway for Lee to walk away from this fight. Sorry... sweatdrop isnt the gates a taijustsu so itachi cant copy it Sasuke copied Lee's attack without knowing it, so why not Itachi? Kekkei Genkai (Bloodline Trait) is the only thing the Sharingan can't copy. It be clear Taijutsu is the easiest for the sharingan to copy, since its all Stamina, no Chakara! Some else out there actually knows something about Naruto!!!! crying crying *cries in happiness* Anyway, the battle would have to be determined by several factors: 1.) Would Lee already be using Eight-Gates Manipulation? 2.) Would Lee actually be fighting Itachi? (this makes sense if you've read the manga) 3.) Would Itachi have enough stamina to use the Sharingan? Considering all these factors,it's probably more likely that Itachi will win. If Lee has to open any number of gates, Itachi will have been able to use his Mangekyou Sharingan to kill/mentally scar Lee. True, however, Itachi may not need to use the Sharingan at all. If Lee were to fight Itachi, he would surly have to use the Eight gates of life, however, as we saw during the battle against Garra, the time between opening the first gate and the second is, during the middle of a battle, extream to say the least, and although Garra was toying with Lee during that time, Itachi won't. That is the main problem with the eight gates, although it is incredibly strong, it has more weaknesses than Garras sand armor. Lee should be taught a better technique, Has anyone seen the Jet Li movie "Kiss of the Dragon"? The moves Jet Li made, and the style he used would be perfect! Lee would have to condition his mind, but the use of accupunctor(sic) needles, would be a great benifit to him in the end. mrgreen Yeah, probably. xd It's possible that if Lee were to reach a certain level of mastery, he could probably open the gates rather rapidly. But I'm not completely sure on this point. And anyway, if Lee were to open all the gates, he wouldn't leave the battle. Yesh he would!Lee always just JUMPS out at you when ya THINK he's dead,then kicks ur @$$.
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:14 pm
Sea Sprite Nerissa SpiralRasengan Wolverine5 SpiralRasengan Wolverine5 Sasuke copied Lee's attack without knowing it, so why not Itachi? Kekkei Genkai (Bloodline Trait) is the only thing the Sharingan can't copy. It be clear Taijutsu is the easiest for the sharingan to copy, since its all Stamina, no Chakara! Some else out there actually knows something about Naruto!!!! crying crying *cries in happiness* Anyway, the battle would have to be determined by several factors: 1.) Would Lee already be using Eight-Gates Manipulation? 2.) Would Lee actually be fighting Itachi? (this makes sense if you've read the manga) 3.) Would Itachi have enough stamina to use the Sharingan? Considering all these factors,it's probably more likely that Itachi will win. If Lee has to open any number of gates, Itachi will have been able to use his Mangekyou Sharingan to kill/mentally scar Lee. True, however, Itachi may not need to use the Sharingan at all. If Lee were to fight Itachi, he would surly have to use the Eight gates of life, however, as we saw during the battle against Garra, the time between opening the first gate and the second is, during the middle of a battle, extream to say the least, and although Garra was toying with Lee during that time, Itachi won't. That is the main problem with the eight gates, although it is incredibly strong, it has more weaknesses than Garras sand armor. Lee should be taught a better technique, Has anyone seen the Jet Li movie "Kiss of the Dragon"? The moves Jet Li made, and the style he used would be perfect! Lee would have to condition his mind, but the use of accupunctor(sic) needles, would be a great benifit to him in the end. mrgreen Yeah, probably. xd It's possible that if Lee were to reach a certain level of mastery, he could probably open the gates rather rapidly. But I'm not completely sure on this point. And anyway, if Lee were to open all the gates, he wouldn't leave the battle. Yesh he would!Lee always just JUMPS out at you when ya THINK he's dead,then kicks ur @$$. ...*pats her on the back* We'll go with that. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:00 pm
Sea Sprite Nerissa SpiralRasengan Wolverine5 SpiralRasengan Wolverine5 Sasuke copied Lee's attack without knowing it, so why not Itachi? Kekkei Genkai (Bloodline Trait) is the only thing the Sharingan can't copy. It be clear Taijutsu is the easiest for the sharingan to copy, since its all Stamina, no Chakara! Some else out there actually knows something about Naruto!!!! crying crying *cries in happiness* Anyway, the battle would have to be determined by several factors: 1.) Would Lee already be using Eight-Gates Manipulation? 2.) Would Lee actually be fighting Itachi? (this makes sense if you've read the manga) 3.) Would Itachi have enough stamina to use the Sharingan? Considering all these factors,it's probably more likely that Itachi will win. If Lee has to open any number of gates, Itachi will have been able to use his Mangekyou Sharingan to kill/mentally scar Lee. True, however, Itachi may not need to use the Sharingan at all. If Lee were to fight Itachi, he would surly have to use the Eight gates of life, however, as we saw during the battle against Garra, the time between opening the first gate and the second is, during the middle of a battle, extream to say the least, and although Garra was toying with Lee during that time, Itachi won't. That is the main problem with the eight gates, although it is incredibly strong, it has more weaknesses than Garras sand armor. Lee should be taught a better technique, Has anyone seen the Jet Li movie "Kiss of the Dragon"? The moves Jet Li made, and the style he used would be perfect! Lee would have to condition his mind, but the use of accupunctor(sic) needles, would be a great benifit to him in the end. mrgreen Yeah, probably. xd It's possible that if Lee were to reach a certain level of mastery, he could probably open the gates rather rapidly. But I'm not completely sure on this point. And anyway, if Lee were to open all the gates, he wouldn't leave the battle. Yesh he would!Lee always just JUMPS out at you when ya THINK he's dead,then kicks ur @$$. Sadly, Lee knows that opening all of the gates would kill him, rember, its the fact that Lee is vulnerable and trying to improve himself that we like him so! Lee pushed past death barely after opening five gates, and although Lee would be able to beat Itach if he opened all eight gate, he would DIE in the end. I don't know about you, but I would prefer him not using that technique. He needs to use his taijustu to it's maximum potential, and come through the battle ALIVE! Personally, I think the eight gates should be left as a "Forbiden" Jutsu, one he'll never use again...(Seriously, I never want Lee to look as bad as after the battle with gaara. he looked like the mummy all wraped up...)
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:16 pm
If Itachi is capable of catching the chidori, then even Lee's own speed alone wouldn't be enough to take him down. IF Lee were to open all eight gates, he may be able to defeat him, but he would certainly die.
…HOWEVER, things may be different if he fought Itachi-- weights off and while drunk!
The fact that he's not entirely conscious may cancel out the genjutsu properties of the Sharingan, and could even the Sharingan read and mimic the utter randomness of a drunkard? I'd say no. The Sharingan works by reading the body's tension, and by partially reading and influencing the enemy's mind through genjutsu. When Lee's drunk, neither his body nor his mind is coordinated. None of his words or actions make sense, so trying to read his actions like that would be like trying to figure out a book where all the words have been put through a blender. The chances of guessing correctly would be infintesimally small. Also, the more Lee drinks, the stronger he'll become. So if Lee were to drink a lot of sake, he would be stronger, faster, and more unpredictable. He may also be fast enough to dodge Amaterasu, since he could dodge Kimimaro's ultra fast Tsubaki no Mai, as well as Raiga's lightning bolts.
I'm not saying Lee would definitely win, but I do think he'd have a better chance of winning AND walking away from the battle, than he would if he were to open all the gates.
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:20 pm
Seiji-ojisan If Itachi is capable of catching the chidori, then even Lee's own speed alone wouldn't be enough to take him down. IF Lee were to open all eight gates, he may be able to defeat him, but he would certainly die. …HOWEVER, things may be different if he fought Itachi-- weights off and while drunk! The fact that he's not entirely conscious may cancel out the genjutsu properties of the Sharingan, and could even the Sharingan read and mimic the utter randomness of a drunkard? I'd say no. The Sharingan works by reading the body's tension, and by partially reading and influencing the enemy's mind through genjutsu. When Lee's drunk, neither his body nor his mind is coordinated. None of his words or actions make sense, so trying to read his actions like that would be like trying to figure out a book where all the words have been put through a blender. The chances of guessing correctly would be infintesimally small. Also, the more Lee drinks, the stronger he'll become. So if Lee were to drink a lot of sake, he would be stronger, faster, and more unpredictable. He may also be fast enough to dodge Amaterasu, since he could dodge Kimimaro's ultra fast Tsubaki no Mai, as well as Raiga's lightning bolts. I'm not saying Lee would definitely win, but I do think he'd have a better chance of winning AND walking away from the battle, than he would if he were to open all the gates.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:40 am
In all honesty, I love Lee. But Itachi is able to do more then Lee, since he can only count on Taijutsu and His Gates. Itachi would easily whoop Lee's a**. Itachi was an anbu at thirteen, if any of you are forgetting that, and Orichimaru isn't able to defeat him either, maki9ng Itachi one of the strongest in the series, more so then Lee.
Plus, Lee's moves can be learned easily if you watch him long enough a.e Sasuke copying his moves. Itachi could easily do the same. Lee can't beat Itachi anyway you think about it, and (sorry Lee) He's just not smart enough. Itachi is a genius and a protoge, and no matter how much Lee trains for the moment, he doesn't have the nessary experience that would be needed.
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:44 am
penguin love In all honesty, I love Lee. But Itachi is able to do more then Lee, since he can only count on Taijutsu and His Gates. Itachi would easily whoop Lee's a**. Itachi was an anbu at thirteen, if any of you are forgetting that, and Orichimaru isn't able to defeat him either, maki9ng Itachi one of the strongest in the series, more so then Lee.
Plus, Lee's moves can be learned easily if you watch him long enough a.e Sasuke copying his moves. Itachi could easily do the same. Lee can't beat Itachi anyway you think about it, and (sorry Lee) He's just not smart enough. Itachi is a genius and a protoge, and no matter how much Lee trains for the moment, he doesn't have the nessary experience that would be needed. I still think Lee would have a better chance if he was drunk, and sorry but I'd have to disagree with you on this point. Lee may not be able to beat him as he is now, but I wouldn't say he would NEVER be able to. Let's look at some facts. Itachi took on the genius Kakashi without breaking a sweat, but when Gai showed up, Itachi seemed concerned and warned Kisame not to take him lightly. In Naruto II, Itachi again warns Kisame as well as the rest of Akatsuki not to underestimate Gai. This implies that Itachi regards Gai as a formidable opponent, and does so even though Gai seems to rely entirely on taijutsu and the gates, was never a prodigy, and is not really the smartest character in the show! Now let's look at Lee. Since Gai is his teacher, Lee is learning all of Gai's formidable moves and skills. Also, shortly after the Sasuke Retrieval arc, Lee is shown tirelessly training while Gai is on the ground begging for a break. So he's already getting stronger than his sensei. Finally, let us remember that while Itachi may be a genius, Lee is too. It may take a while, but Lee will continue to work hard and will be strong enough to defeat any genius no matter who it is. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:11 pm
all itachi haz to do iz last longer than lee then lee diez
8 gate iz called the gate of death stare
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:52 am
i hate 2 say it but itachi
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:33 pm
ThE ThE Itachi, He'd just flee the scene once lee opens the gate of death. Yeah Itachi would run for high hills at any sign of trouble like he always does.... Reading over Seiji-ojisan posts above me by a few again, i can definatly see where he is coming from and he makes some excelent points.
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