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 Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:07 pm
I was arguing with someone who believed a sport martial artwould beat a traditional martial-art because it is more modern. I argued that traditional are better because they are traditional and everyone used them because they were so good and relevant.
In the case it was Sport Tae kwon Do Vs Traditional/Combative Budokan Karate, which is my style, Aikedo and Karate and some weapon work.
Which front would you probably take????
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:13 pm
It will most likely come down to real experience a lot of martial arts people do not ever use what they know in a real fight someone who dose or has at least been in some real fights has a better chance. Most sports based arts lack the training that a combat art has wile this is true they often times have some sparring that is lacked in some other schools. You must train for real use of eye attacks and other combat type techniques must be taught and practiced as real and as safely as posible. I feel you should sparr as much with pads as without. I have been hit in class a few times we don't wear pads we just try not to get hit if you do you learn to deal with it. I have been in countless fights as a kid things are chaotic and people rarly back off like you see in sparring matches. You may not have time to use proper technique most real fights look like crap chances are all your nice looking moves are going to come out like a brawl in the end.
My fights ended like this one a guy started yelling he clinched his fist steped forward and I kicked him in the gut with a snap kick and the point of my shoe he fell over and I walked away wile he cryed and casped for air. Two a guy started hitting me in the gut I backed up into a wall and than round house kicked him in the sholder one kick ended both fights. Fight three that I can remember was on the socker field some fight broke out and me and some friends went to have some fun I walked up and slamed one kid in the jaw and the guy who was fighting him thanked me so I hit him to then both tryed to fight me between me and two of my friends we beat five people every one elss just stud there and watched.
I can't remember much of this but I was walking home and some one started some crap and I got hit with a bat from behind in the end the punk ran off befor I could do much to him and there was a few times we had knives but no one made a move and it all just ended before any thing happened. The last fight I ever remember happening was when this kid I knew smarted off wile I was minding my own buisness I chased him down and put him in a head lock I swung him around a few times and as I turned some one hit me I looked again to see it was this other guy named Brian berry I think any way I was holding one guy and punched Brian he hit me again I hit him I let go of the idiot who pissed me off and me and Brian hit each other a few more times than a teacher broke us up and that was the end. I had other fights but it's been years and I don't remember details any more I know in one fight I cut a guys hand open with a pair of scissors he came up behind me and tryed to cutt of my rat tail I have long hair and I have got s**t for it all my life this happens every now and then.
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Wolf Nightshade Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:25 pm
I think either one works, because it's not really the style in itself, it's how one used the style. If one uses the style correctly, then you can take on alot, no matter whether it's a traditional or new.
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:35 pm
As long as you have the training to use it for real you should be fine. A lot of sports places I have seen around this area don't train for it and you can see that when you watch them.
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Wolf Nightshade Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:51 pm
i would take both sides......traditional and contemporary both have their positive aspects and negative aspects. Take contemporary wushu for example, contemporary wushu derived from chinese acrobatics, chinese opera AND chinese martial arts, but doesnt focus much on the traditional aspects of wushu. As people continue to bring contemporary wushu into the olympics as a sport, the martial art changes and becomes less like it's traditional counterpart. That is one of contemporary wushu's negative aspects.......this problem probably relates to some other modern martial arts out there.
most traditional martial arts have been developed for thousands of years meaning that they've been around a lot longer than modern forms of martial arts. So, i believe people should respect traditional martial arts even if they prefer the more modern counterpart of the martial art.
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:41 am
My reason for asking was this I have told some people on here before-
There was a popular kid at school that tripped me and I was in a really foul mood. I got off the floor...and I cant remeber what I did but he ended up pinned against the wall...I got red tunnel vision...has anyone got that before? Well...I think it means I was concerntrating so hard. I shouted at him a bit and went to the loo....anyway. He was so embarassed that he started doing TKD and got his black belt in 3 years. Now he is what I call 'corrupt'. He picks on some smaller kids and started on my frien. He said to her shut up. And she said make me. So he got up and so did she. She walked over to him and he said Thats what i thought and he sat down. All talk no trousers. I feel like I wanna fight him because I hate him so much. He has hurt some of my friends before, he likes to punch people and try moves on them. Fine, so do I but if they tell me it hurts I stop, but not him, he likes the whole now im the best thing. He bought in his black belt when he got it!!! He's very egotistic.
I feel like I wanna punch him because of annoying remarks he makes about me. People call him Karate Kid which I honestly find offensive. A karate-ka would have more honour than to bully with their belt. Is it wrong that I want to fight him? Not that I will, I'd get expelled properly for the way I fight. But my morals tell me not to take the bait, I would only fight for my life not like him for fun.
I have done B.Karate for 8 years almost (ADV. Brown belt) and he has done TKD for 3 years (Black belt)......thoughts?
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:05 pm
honestly i think the traditional one would win. you have to think logically for a moment. no one is denying that sport martial artists arent strong, however they fight mainly for points. traditional martial arts was made to survive. the techniques would naturally be more powerfull and more devistating.
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:30 pm
Mangafairy My reason for asking was this I have told some people on here before- There was a popular kid at school that tripped me and I was in a really foul mood. I got off the floor...and I cant remeber what I did but he ended up pinned against the wall...I got red tunnel vision...has anyone got that before? Well...I think it means I was concerntrating so hard. I shouted at him a bit and went to the loo....anyway. He was so embarassed that he started doing TKD and got his black belt in 3 years. Now he is what I call 'corrupt'. He picks on some smaller kids and started on my frien. He said to her shut up. And she said make me. So he got up and so did she. She walked over to him and he said Thats what i thought and he sat down. All talk no trousers. I feel like I wanna fight him because I hate him so much. He has hurt some of my friends before, he likes to punch people and try moves on them. Fine, so do I but if they tell me it hurts I stop, but not him, he likes the whole now im the best thing. He bought in his black belt when he got it!!! He's very egotistic. I feel like I wanna punch him because of annoying remarks he makes about me. People call him Karate Kid which I honestly find offensive. A karate-ka would have more honour than to bully with their belt. Is it wrong that I want to fight him? Not that I will, I'd get expelled properly for the way I fight. But my morals tell me not to take the bait, I would only fight for my life not like him for fun. I have done B.Karate for 8 years almost (ADV. Brown belt) and he has done TKD for 3 years (Black belt)......thoughts? Fighting him may help but probably wont he will most likely keep doing things like that to other people. I can't say this for shure I don't know his teacher but I know my Sifu would kick his a** out of class if he was doing that. I would say something to the head of his school he may want proof but if he is a good teacher he wont put up with students using the lessons to hurt people. Then after he gets thrown out kick his a**. ninja
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Wolf Nightshade Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:52 pm
I dont know Im sort of split on the issue. Ive always done traditional martial arts except when i did boxing when I was younger. But I absolutely hate olympic tae kwon do. It has moronic rules or atleast to me and the point keeping is totally differnt. Plus most of the people Ive met in Olympic TKD cant see outside thier own sport and are very arrogant to it because they have not been taught tradition or philosphy and cant comprehend that thier are martial arts besides thiers, and they are run differntly.
But I think tradition sometimes gets in the way of fighting. I have trouble making eye contact and when I was going for my blue belt I had all the forms and combinations down flat but my teacher would let me onto the next level til I learned to make eye contact when I bowed. I think Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do is absolutely fascinating. He thought tradition held other MA back so he invented a form using the most effective ways of fencing and boxing and other MA.
So I guess it just depends on taste.
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:19 am
Lord_Quortez honestly i think the traditional one would win. you have to think logically for a moment. no one is denying that sport martial artists arent strong, however they fight mainly for points. traditional martial arts was made to survive. the techniques would naturally be more powerfull and more devistating. I'm the one doing the traditional MA not him, he does the sport. But I still have to accept he is a black belt and give him some credit. Even if I think it is ridiculous.
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