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 Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:48 pm
All three of the saga's are named after works of Friedrich Nietzsche; The Will to Power, Beyond Good and Evil, and Thus Spoke Zarathustra. This philosophy is about the Ubermensch, or someone that is beyond other humans(in a sense), and about overcoming nihilism.
Also, Wagner is a b*****d, that comes across clearly.
So, I think we could talk about how the philosophy works in the game and which characters represent what. I'll give my thoughts later, when I've got more time. I really want to know where Wilhelm falls, my guess is that he's a nihilist because he plays Wagner in his office and he's an antagonist, but he displays a lot of qualities of the Ubermensch.
There's more I want to say, but I have to write and english paper, on the same philosophy actually (what luck that I'm doing Crime and Punishment at the same time as Xenosaga III).
I'll post the wikipedia links later too, but good searches would be ubermensch, Nietzsche, nihilism, and his three book things.
And if anyone can find out where to download The Will to Power and Thus Spoke Zarathustra, that would be really helpful, I've already got Beyond Good and Evil.
PS. Hey hey, I'm back after a year's absence.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:42 am
WARNING: ALLUSIONS TO SPOILERS FOR GAME III
Oooh, where did you download Beyond Good and Evil? I'll look for a copy of the other two for you. I need Thus Spoke Zarathustra, because my edition is leatherbound and gold-leafed...and come on, you can't write in a copy like that! xp
Wilhelm, eh? Throughout the whole game, he reminded me MOST of Nietzsche. A lot of the things he said were paraphrases from Nietzsche's books. Until the end, when he decided to go and throw that whole thing away, unless Nietzsche was FOR eternal recurrence instead of just voiced it as a theory. I'm not too sure on that one. But, hee hee...Wilhelm IS the character named after Nietzsche himself, though.
I think Wilhelm was an ubermensch, if someone non-human can be one. He created his own set of values and definitely lived by them. He didn't give the credit to anyone else, and he was definitely a full individual.
I never noticed he was playing Wagner, I just caught Captain Matthew's reference to it.
I'm still irked at why the Gnosis were called GNOSIS, meaning 'knowledge'. It didn't make full sense, even at the end.
Jung's philosophy was throughout the game as well. The whole thing about believing in humanity, and in the "light of their wills" reminded me so much of Jung, which would fit with the whole UMN, U-DO, Albedo/Rubedo/Nigredo, etc. Because it wasn't Nietzsche who believed in the majority of humans. wink
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