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 Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:03 pm
Oxymoronic Username Can anyone else hear the women across America singing out in rejoice? And the Pro-Lifers screaming in agony? "Blah blah blah...Abortion is evil, but we're not going to support anything that may prevent it!" Seriously though: "The FDA was created to be the last line of defense between consumers and manufacturers, but instead has become the lead offensive against women in crisis and the innocent unborn." Because, you know, those evil pharmacists, they're always forcing morning pills on unsuspecting women! I never understood why so many pro-lifers like to call a clump of cells "innocent". It's like saying that a rock is innocent, or something, with the amount of cognative ability it has. 'Bit dumb, really.
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 7:50 pm
Yes, it is a joyous occasion! Of course, now we need to lower the age limit, but progress has been made!
I did read some stupid things in some articles, like how some people were saying they thought Plan B was an abortion pill, or that men over 18 would buy the pill and convince young girls to take it and have sex with them rolleyes
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:41 pm
I am pleased for two reasons.
1. I'm pro-choice and see this as a non-issue.
2. It demonstrates that ultimately the FDA is not subject to political persuasion. If the FDA can be bought off with a bunch of whining religious zealots and refuse a perfectly safe drug that has been in use over the counter in dozens of other countries for decades, why should we trust them to protect us from harmful drugs when drug companies can do a lot more than just whine with religious objection? Where zealots can only protest and get their ways, drug companies can provide monetary incentives to have a pill put on the market. The FDA is there NOT to push any political agenda, but to be as unbaised and scientific as possible in protecting the health of this nation, if they can be bought with religious objections, why should I trust anything they say? This is a step in the right direction for their credibility.
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:03 pm
Bumping this up because I just found this little gem. Rape Victim Denied TreatmentAll I had to say by the end of that was "Hell ******** yes!" The 'pro-life' OGBYN said forcing the doctor to go against his religious beliefs was like going back to Nazi Germany. The guy then had this to say back to her at the end. Quote: "Let's not take away individual choices away from anybody. Everybody is entitled to their own religious beliefs. Everybody is entitled to whatevery they believe in, but the day we stary layering our beliefs on somebody else's, THAT'S when we've got Nazi Germany."
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:05 pm
MipsyKitten Quote: "Let's not take away individual choices away from anybody. Everybody is entitled to their own religious beliefs. Everybody is entitled to whatevery they believe in, but the day we stary layering our beliefs on somebody else's, THAT'S when we've got Nazi Germany." Freaking ironic much?
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:24 pm
MipsyKitten Bumping this up because I just found this little gem. Rape Victim Denied TreatmentAll I had to say by the end of that was "Hell ******** yes!" The 'pro-life' OGBYN said forcing the doctor to go against his religious beliefs was like going back to Nazi Germany. The guy then had this to say back to her at the end. Quote: "Let's not take away individual choices away from anybody. Everybody is entitled to their own religious beliefs. Everybody is entitled to whatevery they believe in, but the day we stary layering our beliefs on somebody else's, THAT'S when we've got Nazi Germany." Wow...shocking. I don't want to have that doctor taking care of me. However, as bad as it is, I wouldn't exactly compare it to Nazis. While I agree, it compares to the minor things the Nazis did, the Nazis were ten times more horrible than just denying birth control pills. Not saying that isn't bad.
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:25 pm
Heh... I actually don't think doctors should have to go against their own personal beliefs, with regards to something as consequential as abortion, when performing a service, but I think they should absolutely make their patient's options known, and refer them to a doctor who is willing to perform the procedure.
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:27 pm
EmmaRaikou Oxymoronic Username Can anyone else hear the women across America singing out in rejoice? And the Pro-Lifers screaming in agony? "Blah blah blah...Abortion is evil, but we're not going to support anything that may prevent it!" Seriously though: "The FDA was created to be the last line of defense between consumers and manufacturers, but instead has become the lead offensive against women in crisis and the innocent unborn." Because, you know, those evil pharmacists, they're always forcing morning pills on unsuspecting women! I never understood why so many pro-lifers like to call a clump of cells "innocent". It's like saying that a rock is innocent, or something, with the amount of cognative ability it has. 'Bit dumb, really. *sigh* It never ends. Might I ask how the Plan B Pill is a lead offensive to women in crisis? These people need to either try to make sense, or STFU. I'll let you decide which one is best to their ability.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:27 am
petit_diable Wow...shocking. I don't want to have that doctor taking care of me. However, as bad as it is, I wouldn't exactly compare it to Nazis. While I agree, it compares to the minor things the Nazis did, the Nazis were ten times more horrible than just denying birth control pills. Not saying that isn't bad. That's the part I didn't agree with. When she said that all I could think was "Godwin's, dear god she just invoked Godwin's on tv gonk "
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:27 am
GreenSouthpaw Heh... I actually don't think doctors should have to go against their own personal beliefs, with regards to something as consequential as abortion, when performing a service, but I think they should absolutely make their patient's options known, and refer them to a doctor who is willing to perform the procedure. I disagree. If every single doctor in this entire country refused to give abortions for moral reasons... the woman still has a right to have one, and her rights are being infrined upon when she is denied one. Just imagine if every doctor in the country refused to dispense AIDs medications because they felt AIDs was an afliction caused by moral degeneracy and as such it is punishment from God. Is sentencing them to death ok because, hey, doctors have a right to be religious!
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:38 am
GreenSouthpaw Heh... I actually don't think doctors should have to go against their own personal beliefs, with regards to something as consequential as abortion, when performing a service, but I think they should absolutely make their patient's options known, and refer them to a doctor who is willing to perform the procedure. Isn't abortion a specialized procedure? Meaning, you can be a doctor without beign required to perform abortions, and being an abortion doctor is completely voluntary? If so, the doctor shouldn't have become an abortion doctor if he was opposed to abortion. Same story with a pharmacist: His job expects him to violate some moral of his, so he should either do his job in full, quit, or never take it in the first place.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:54 pm
This is a good sign. We know the age limit wont stop every one. Hell is I was in that situation it wouldn’t stop me. Hell I could get a hold of a play boy at thirteen. This makes me feel safer. Perhaps the tide is turning in out favor.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:47 pm
Isn't abortion a specialized procedure? Meaning, you can be a doctor without beign required to perform abortions, and being an abortion doctor is completely voluntary? If so, the doctor shouldn't have become an abortion doctor if he was opposed to abortion. Same story with a pharmacist: His job expects him to violate some moral of his, so he should either do his job in full, quit, or never take it in the first place. What kind of person that is against abortion becomes a specialist in abortion? No, it is not a specialist field as such. A person can specialise, as in only do these procedures, but basic first and second trimester abortions are taught to all med students (as far as I'm aware... looked this up a while ago).
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