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 Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:24 am
Also, just a little tidbit that I must have said.
Over the two years I have been passive on this forum. From active, to gone, I've witness a lot of things. I've personally changed philosophies over the last two years. In the first year, I've witness a lively effort propogated by ALL of NCS, which truly reflected the communist ideal. However, where are the bigshots now? Where is Gallenger, who's supposedly read the manifesto times on end? Where's Soviettank, who's so knowlegable? Where is everyone who boasted about their extensive knowledge in philosophy and their enlightened end? A year ago I was uneducated, a blind follower - now I know what I'm talking about and this is what I see: Two our of two hundred "communists" online trying to win a debate they are currently losing because they lack the philosophical foundation, and because they lack imput and support from their "comrades". I'm appauled.
What happened? When I left the first time, we were in a limbo of inactivity. It sprouts again, I have a conflict with the new kids trying to act like bad asses and post s**t they don't know, and I leave. I try and debate a half of a year ago, and it falters because we only had one person responding (Worthy collegue Gracchvs) and I attract one new person into this guild, Merewyn (remember the case I posted?) and she already intellectually and physically outscores any of you. What good is your philosophy if you can't defend it? Don't make the same mistake I made for a year, READ philosophy, STUDY economics, KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. All of you, lest two of you, are mindless bunglers who follow an ideology so blindly you can't even speak on it's behalf with the same fervor of your stupidity.
I'll like to thank Merewyn and Gracchvs for their company in thought, and I can only hope on their behalf their comrades in arms will shape up.
Don't delete this post, it plays into the "constitutional NCS" free speech doctrine. Good day.
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:34 am
Lol That's comical.
Soviettankt34 and I are engaging in a sort of Laissez Faire policy (I know you'd like that), in regards to your debates. Why don't I engage you? Because I find those sort of debates sickening and find that I have a vast array of better, more productive, things to do. However, Comrade Graccvhs and Comrade Merewyn do enjoy these sorts of, well I could call it "High Powered" philosophy, but I won't, as it's not. I do commend them however for their interest taken in these things, and more of a classical sort of philosophical study.
What I specifically desire is for younger or perhaps just newer members, to start taking up the cup of leadership. I have been doing this for some time. Really I have sat back a great deal here in the hopes that a leader would surface in my quasiabsence. The real reason for this? I'm going to college in under 25 days, and I'm almost certain that this is going to consume such an abominable part of my time and energies, that I will be unable to even conclusively monitor the on-goings here in such a way as would be pleasing, or even mildly satisfactory, to me.
Why I'm justifying myself to you is somewhat mystifying. I wouldn't delete this post. In fact, I've never deleted a post in my time as guild captain, except where the thread specifically stated that all replies would be deleted after their information is added to the sticky or announcement post.
I want to build this organization, not act like a philosophical juggernaut, or some authority by quashing everything that could be considered a debate. I remember a time, when this guild was first developing, when I joined really, we were all, for the most part, newly discovering Marxism, and Dialectal Materialism. Together we worked, and together we grew, in a sort of collective competition, where we strove to best the other, or to better sumarize the complicated expositions of our comrades. I happen to believe that this is the optimal state for the discussion of Marxism. Only now, we have the capability for a guiding hand. This is the role I have taken, where discussion or debates are a gross violation of socialist, communist, Marxist, or whatever have you, principles; I do tend to step in. We need a current, collected, discussion amongst "greener" members so as to foster their growth into well-rounded, full, marxists. I'm not going to prance around and pretend to be some authority just to received patronage from somebody who hasn't yet had the oppertunity for the studies and discussion in which I have partaken. I don't want "gallengerites" I want marxists and class consciousness.
I have watched especially comrade Merewyn develop in to a full, well rounded marxist. I too have seen a greater development in comrade Graccvhs, who was, to a fairly decent extent, already developed. Does this make me happy? Of course it does! This is precisely what I want. Comrade now known as "Pinko Commie" has likewise developed into one of our finest activists outside of the NCS here on the forums of the ED, and ED Politics.
But What I'll call the old guard, hasn't deserted the NCS, it is merely watching, as they no longer have the time for such things, due to school, work, and other social obligations; or dare I say, real life activism. Some people have things to do, but still they watch. And I have the fullest confidence that they will continue to do so.
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:18 pm
Well I see Merewyn and Gracchvs as the two to deal with you. And I tend to wait for "Steve's" (I still want to calle him Obach) posts.
But then again as I already said. I'VE BEEN BUSY ALL WEEK! JEEZ!
Expect me to respond to your trolls, stuff and completely uproot my whole schedule and crap? It would take me some time to respond to you posts and I don't have the time for it.
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:38 pm
I sadly have been away and came here simply to check up on the guild. I have a lot of things hanging over me at the moment. Also, I feel I am not in the same league as everyone else in terms of knowledge and I find myself either wrong or unknowing in most conversations. I am sensitive and hate to be wrong or appear to be stupid, so I decline to comment. Maybe when I am not so bogged down with issues I can return. Until then...
Thanks for making this post, Sovi3t..
Edit: Maybe I will start a discussion...
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:49 pm
REDGallenger Lol That's comical. Soviettankt34 and I are engaging in a sort of Laissez Faire policy (I know you'd like that), in regards to your debates. Why don't I engage you? Because I find those sort of debates sickening and find that I have a vast array of better, more productive, things to do. However, Comrade Graccvhs and Comrade Merewyn do enjoy these sorts of, well I could call it "High Powered" philosophy, but I won't, as it's not. I do commend them however for their interest taken in these things, and more of a classical sort of philosophical study. What I specifically desire is for younger or perhaps just newer members, to start taking up the cup of leadership. I have been doing this for some time. Really I have sat back a great deal here in the hopes that a leader would surface in my quasiabsence. The real reason for this? I'm going to college in under 25 days, and I'm almost certain that this is going to consume such an abominable part of my time and energies, that I will be unable to even conclusively monitor the on-goings here in such a way as would be pleasing, or even mildly satisfactory, to me. Why I'm justifying myself to you is somewhat mystifying. I wouldn't delete this post. In fact, I've never deleted a post in my time as guild captain, except where the thread specifically stated that all replies would be deleted after their information is added to the sticky or announcement post. I want to build this organization, not act like a philosophical juggernaut, or some authority by quashing everything that could be considered a debate. I remember a time, when this guild was first developing, when I joined really, we were all, for the most part, newly discovering Marxism, and Dialectal Materialism. Together we worked, and together we grew, in a sort of collective competition, where we strove to best the other, or to better sumarize the complicated expositions of our comrades. I happen to believe that this is the optimal state for the discussion of Marxism. Only now, we have the capability for a guiding hand. This is the role I have taken, where discussion or debates are a gross violation of socialist, communist, Marxist, or whatever have you, principles; I do tend to step in. We need a current, collected, discussion amongst "greener" members so as to foster their growth into well-rounded, full, marxists. I'm not going to prance around and pretend to be some authority just to received patronage from somebody who hasn't yet had the oppertunity for the studies and discussion in which I have partaken. I don't want "gallengerites" I want marxists and class consciousness. I have watched especially comrade Merewyn develop in to a full, well rounded marxist. I too have seen a greater development in comrade Graccvhs, who was, to a fairly decent extent, already developed. Does this make me happy? Of course it does! This is precisely what I want. Comrade now known as "Pinko Commie" has likewise developed into one of our finest activists outside of the NCS here on the forums of the ED, and ED Politics. But What I'll call the old guard, hasn't deserted the NCS, it is merely watching, as they no longer have the time for such things, due to school, work, and other social obligations; or dare I say, real life activism. Some people have things to do, but still they watch. And I have the fullest confidence that they will continue to do so.
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:59 pm
You know, sometimes the repeated debates just become far too tiring for me to bother with. There's work, a social life, food, drink, sleep, and education... that's a pretty full plate, even without the inclusion of my numerous other hobbies that make demands on my ever decreasing free time. Beyond that, it's difficult for me to enjoy deep, philosophical, communism-related debates when I myself totally understand that my knowledge of the area is nowhere near where it needs to be. I readily admit this. I would much rather be reading literature, or the philosophy of Nietzsche and Kirkegaard, than entrenching myself deeper in the study of communism, socialism, and all other topics in relation to them.
Essentially, I'd like to be able to properly defend myself from this attack, but I can't, and thus I won't. I've better things to do. See? You've wasted even more of my valuable time already. When are we all supposed to improve when we're being forced to explain our very lack of improvement? Idiocy...
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:19 pm
Gradus You know, sometimes the repeated debates just become far too tiring for me to bother with. There's work, a social life, food, drink, sleep, and education... that's a pretty full plate, even without the inclusion of my numerous other hobbies that make demands on my ever decreasing free time. Beyond that, it's difficult for me to enjoy deep, philosophical, communism-related debates when I myself totally understand that my knowledge of the area is nowhere near where it needs to be. I readily admit this. I would much rather be reading literature, or the philosophy of Nietzsche and Kirkegaard, than entrenching myself deeper in the study of communism, socialism, and all other topics in relation to them. Essentially, I'd like to be able to properly defend myself from this attack, but I can't, and thus I won't. I've better things to do. See? You've wasted even more of my valuable time already. When are we all supposed to improve when we're being forced to explain our very lack of improvement? Idiocy... No, I didn't ask for anyone to justify their absences or lack of participation. I even began this thread with the words: "Something that must be said". Not "something that must be responded to", or even "Something that must be fixed", but the precise wording which simply meant: This is an assertion, read and personally reflect. I don't give a crap for ANY of you on your justifications, and the only person that actually understood the meaning of this post was kawaiitanpopo. Before you waste any more of "your" (though I have to respond to your retarded justification, and hence waste my time as well) time, read carefully. You've only yourself to blame.
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:22 pm
And just to clarify: This is meant to be constructive criticism. While you all may think that I'm a corrupted turncoat, I actually still share a bond and concern for this guild: as I'm still posting and talking to you people. By criticising, I aim to have you people reform yourselves and have a ripple effect - but I'm not one to spoonfeed or utilize you at all. I participate, and I only care for myself and my collegues (and all of you fit that category). Cheers, and merry food for thought.
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:30 pm
Sovi3t Gradus You know, sometimes the repeated debates just become far too tiring for me to bother with. There's work, a social life, food, drink, sleep, and education... that's a pretty full plate, even without the inclusion of my numerous other hobbies that make demands on my ever decreasing free time. Beyond that, it's difficult for me to enjoy deep, philosophical, communism-related debates when I myself totally understand that my knowledge of the area is nowhere near where it needs to be. I readily admit this. I would much rather be reading literature, or the philosophy of Nietzsche and Kirkegaard, than entrenching myself deeper in the study of communism, socialism, and all other topics in relation to them. Essentially, I'd like to be able to properly defend myself from this attack, but I can't, and thus I won't. I've better things to do. See? You've wasted even more of my valuable time already. When are we all supposed to improve when we're being forced to explain our very lack of improvement? Idiocy... No, I didn't ask for anyone to justify their absences or lack of participation. I even began this thread with the words: "Something that must be said". Not "something that must be responded to", or even "Something that must be fixed", but the precise wording which simply meant: This is an assertion, read and personally reflect. I don't give a crap for ANY of you on your justifications, and the only person that actually understood the meaning of this post was kawaiitanpopo. Before you waste any more of "your" (though I have to respond to your retarded justification, and hence waste my time as well) time, read carefully. You've only yourself to blame. I'd like to point out that it's reasonably foreseeable that when one posts something in a discussion forum, others on said forum will be liable to discuss it. Furthermore, when said topic can be in some way perceived as an attack on a certain member, or group of members, on said forum, it is also reasonably foreseeable that said members will argue with the original poster. So, you either desired a response, and thereby a rebuttal of some sort, or you were foolish enough as to completely disregard such apparently trivial matters. Besides, there are a number of factors that I can also blame for my own lacking nature, such as my parents for conceiving me, Bill Gates for having allowed us all the opportunity to communicate in this form, the fathers of communist and socialist ideas for supplying the topic which I now discuss, you, of course, for supplying the discussion in the first place, the list goes on. Contributing factors. By the way, explain what sets apart Kawaii's response, for I'm afraid that I just can't see it. There's justification, which all our posts appear to feature, a word of thanks to you, which may be important to you, but really doesn't factor into this whole train of thought, and the notion of possibly starting a discussion, which would, whilst certainly being nice, not be anything new, seeing as how new discussions appear constantly on Gaia and, every once in a while, see light in this guild, as proven by you. Constructive as this criticism may be, it can still be argued. Just because I disagree with either your points or your attitude, which isn't necessarily the case to begin with, does not mean that I am in some way annoyed at your having displayed these points and this attitude in the first place. Any belief inverse to that is unfounded.
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:25 pm
well first off Im a notorious lurker....I read just about every post in this guild....regretfully, I miss a post here and there and I'd say 4/5 of the time everything I could have wanted to say in a debate in said in the first 5 posts, oh well
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:13 pm
Hey by the way M-Mann still exists in the limbo that is account blocking.
This is my ocassional troll/back up account.
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:16 pm
Sovi3t And just to clarify: This is meant to be constructive criticism. While you all may think that I'm a corrupted turncoat, I actually still share a bond and concern for this guild: as I'm still posting and talking to you people. By criticising, I aim to have you people reform yourselves and have a ripple effect - but I'm not one to spoonfeed or utilize you at all. I participate, and I only care for myself and my collegues (and all of you fit that category). Cheers, and merry food for thought. Shut up Bourgeois turncoat! rofl Reform ourselves? This implies we're doing actions currently that are not working. Which is currently according to you....nothing. Nah, I converse with you sparsely because you intelligent (I at least think you are) and as a person I sometimes fear that I don't know s**t. Tis' why I plunge myself into so much reading. I don't think I need to reform that (other than get out of my little inferiority complex crap I got). Edit: AH, I see what you did. Damn you Sovi3t stop actually proving my paranoia about me being stupid correct.
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:38 pm
Pinko_Commie Sovi3t And just to clarify: This is meant to be constructive criticism. While you all may think that I'm a corrupted turncoat, I actually still share a bond and concern for this guild: as I'm still posting and talking to you people. By criticising, I aim to have you people reform yourselves and have a ripple effect - but I'm not one to spoonfeed or utilize you at all. I participate, and I only care for myself and my collegues (and all of you fit that category). Cheers, and merry food for thought. Shut up Bourgeois turncoat! rofl Reform ourselves? This implies we're doing actions currently that are not working. Which is currently according to you....nothing. Nah, I converse with you sparsely because you intelligent (I at least think you are) and as a person I sometimes fear that I don't know s**t. Tis' why I plunge myself into so much reading. I don't think I need to reform that (other than get out of my little inferiority complex crap I got). Edit: AH, I see what you did. Damn you Sovi3t stop actually proving my paranoia about me being stupid correct. I have the ever creeping fear, now more than ever, that I've once again missed something of significant importance, right in front of me. I hate when this happens...
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Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 5:41 am
I really don't see a point in getting all angry about inactivity. We still do read Marxists works and educate ourselves. It's just some of us have other things to do. I know that I don't have the time to get on Gaia every single day, sometimes I don't have the time to get on at all in a week. Just because someone isn't participating the most, doesn't mean they are just a blind follower.
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