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Marie-Novelle

PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:05 am


Hi, everyone!

I don't post here much. I just read some of the conversations now and then but when I saw this, I had to say something. Anyway...

I was a Catholic for 27 years but then I was born again! ^_^ In fact, tomorrow was the day 2 years ago.

My testimony: www.ferretgirl.net
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:59 am


In response to the Knotghlon, Purgatory has nothing to do with salvation. It is mearly a "temporal phase of purification for the saved". When Isaiah met God in the temple, the first thing he said was "Woe is me! For I am a man of unclean lips...yet my eyes have seen...the Lord of host!"(Is 6:1-3) An angel then came from the alter and touched his lips with a hot coal to purify him. Only then was he able to do what God wanted from him. Purgatory is about the saved being cleansed to see God. This is where Jesus's salvation occurs. No one can enter the kingdom with any sins. So those that are already saved but still have a few venial sins are purified through Jesus's sacrifice after death and are able to enter the kingdom.

Amiruni


NewAgeLink

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:16 am


Marie-Novelle
I was a Catholic for 27 years but then I was born again! ^_^
That is the worst thing I have ever read. Wow. You deserve a trophy.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:35 pm


I'm sorry to say Amiruni, that "I have surpassed you." Lol. My thread is big!! I never expected it, but keep up the good work Amiruni!

marysservant


Harajukuboy_14

PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:04 pm


Amiruni
That is what I am taught Akashi, that the Catholic church was the one true original church and it alone has the power to interpret scripture, a power given by Jesus to the first leader Peter.



And sorry Theo the site didn't copy. Now I have to find it again.
That shows me that the Catholic church has been misleading its followers for many decades because it doesn't preach keeping the Sabbath which is the Holy day of rest ordained by God Himself. It was because of the Catholic church that you now have the different denominations going to church on Sunday which, when you read in Genesis, Saturday is the day of rest. The Catholic church did interprit scripture...that, I think, is why we had the crusades and eventually, Sabbath keeping looked upon as wierd. and yes the Catholic church was the original church, but it alone does not have any power to interprit scripture. Jesus was a Jew who kept the original Sabbath and had no sin, but God didnt even give power to the Jews to interprit scripture. He gave power to all man as a whole to preach the gospel so that others might be saved...so that statement to me is just proud rubbish..and dont mistake me as bashing you..I am just tellin it like i see it. biggrin
PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:39 am


Harajukuboy_14
Amiruni
That is what I am taught Akashi, that the Catholic church was the one true original church and it alone has the power to interpret scripture, a power given by Jesus to the first leader Peter.



And sorry Theo the site didn't copy. Now I have to find it again.
That shows me that the Catholic church has been misleading its followers for many decades because it doesn't preach keeping the Sabbath which is the Holy day of rest ordained by God Himself. It was because of the Catholic church that you now have the different denominations going to church on Sunday which, when you read in Genesis, Saturday is the day of rest. The Catholic church did interprit scripture...that, I think, is why we had the crusades and eventually, Sabbath keeping looked upon as wierd. and yes the Catholic church was the original church, but it alone does not have any power to interprit scripture. Jesus was a Jew who kept the original Sabbath and had no sin, but God didnt even give power to the Jews to interprit scripture. He gave power to all man as a whole to preach the gospel so that others might be saved...so that statement to me is just proud rubbish..and dont mistake me as bashing you..I am just tellin it like i see it. biggrin

Ah.... Well, for your information, in the Old Testament, the Sabbath was not "Saturday." It was the seventh day of the week observed from Friday evening to Saturday evening as a day of rest and worship by Jews (since a Jewish day started in what we know as the middle of the day). Here is an link from www.catholic.com:

http://www.catholic.com/library/Sabbath_or_Sunday.asp

Jesus clearly states that he was "Lord of the Sabbath" and he prominently displayed that the Sabbath was not "binding" any longer.
I also have this link:

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1993/9312chap.asp

Read up people... Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath, and he conquered death and restored our life by rising on SUNDAY. I also got this anti-catholic link to show the ridiculous claims the author makes:

http://www.andrews.edu/~samuele/books/sabbath_to_sunday/8.html

He says CHRISTIANS were influenced to pick SUNday because of SUN-worship, which is proposterous.

marysservant


Woodlock

PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:08 am


Especially in the face of the fact that the word "Saturday" comes from the latin for "Saturn's Day", a day of worship to the planet Saturn in astrology. The days are named by men. Also of note:

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

God says He doesn't care what day we worship.

Romans 14
5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

9For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.


This of itself is not proof of the falsehood of any church.

However, getting back on track, I do have a question.

Catechism of the Catholic Church
460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":[78] "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."[79] "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."[80] "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."[81]

795 Christ and his Church thus together make up the "whole Christ" (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:
Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God's grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man.... The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does "head and members" mean? Christ and the Church.[230]
Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.[231]
Head and members form as it were one and the same mystical person.[232]
A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer: "About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't complicate the matter."[233]

Mormons also believe that we, as mere men, become gods after death through obedience to the church. According to the Catechism, we not only become gods, but the very means of our own salvation. Does this not stand against everything that is christian? Could this be a mistake in editing? The Pope personally approves new catechisms, and he is supposed to be infallible.

889 In order to preserve the Church in the purity of the faith handed on by the apostles, Christ who is the Truth willed to confer on her a share in his own infallibility. By a "supernatural sense of faith" the People of God, under the guidance of the Church's living Magisterium, "unfailingly adheres to this faith."[417]

891 "The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the faith he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals.... The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter's successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium," above all in an Ecumenical Council.[418] When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine "for belief as being divinely revealed,"[419] and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions "must be adhered to with the obedience of faith."[420] This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.[421]

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23 does not include an exception article for Popes.

This is not me bashing, this is a fact of the catechism. Anyone with a copy of the current catechism (like me) can open it up to the sections refereced and see it themselves. Is this doctrine not in opposition to everything christian? And if so, how could God Himself endorse such a creature? The bible never calls for a conglomerate church, for this reason. Each local body is to be independant of all other local assemblies, under the headship of their pastor alone. Bottom line question; how does the above reconcile with what we are actually taught, and how can men who believe and uphold these doctrines in private be godly leaders?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:05 am


wy do you go to your priests for confession when the teaching of Jesus is that he is the forgiver of all sins and to go to him and once our sins are forgiven to turn from them otherwise we did not truly repent. the teaching of confessin threw an earthely man is strictly old testament since when Jesus died on the cross the veil in the temple was ripped in two mathew 27:51 if you remember the viel devieded off the room in the temple were the preists would go to recive pardon for the people but opon the death on the cross the temple vail was ripped in two because jesus made it so we can go derectly to GOD



i just red somewere that sombogy thought the cathloc church was the true and first church and that is intirly not true. going by the names we now use for the differint denominations your origanals woud be the baptists and annabaptists the catholic church started when a hie up guy saw the power of christ and wanted it (not the other stuff just the power )
and desided to start somthing like it useing crist he started changing adding and erasing the true teacings and made it the popular thing and then the leagal thing ifact the catholics over the years have killed manny christians (ever herd of the huganotts the were the reformed church in france around the 1700s) the bible was a forrbidden book and wehn it was first prinnted in english (king james version) the cotholic church burrned them ! (if some one realy and truly wanted people to no the truth and be saved the way christ teaches youd think theyd let then read about it ) they new that if the people were to read the truth they would see that the things that the catholic church teaches are not only uncorrect but anntie biblicle such as calling the priest father waen the bible sais not to becaus you only have one father in heven wich is Lord and the pope, baptisim(they sprinkle) and numerouse others anny way some people managed to get bibles the red then and were saved (a verey high persentage of these were priests and had never red the word of GOD before )relising the truth the started out to change things this is were you get most of your other deominations


if you dont understand or have questions i'll try to answer them

train_boy


dirtdevilgrunt13

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:03 pm


Ok
Lets go back to the time of chirst,who crufied christ?
The Catholic church order his death because he preached against the catholics,and for Housing a "Fugitve"
Most Catholics are Fundalmentlists,one thing I hate to hell in this life...
Then lets go the Rise of the Romans,Catholics wwas it!
The Catholics Wanted to poor there religion all over the land,SHOVING THERE BELIEFES DOWN PEOPLES THROATS!
Which they still do...
Lets go to World War 2.
The Catholics and sad enough some christians wanted the Jewish/Hebrew religion DOWN THE BLOODY DRAIN!
When I say bloody I mean BLOODY!

After the war Chistians amd Catholics helped the Nazis escape from germany and there postions to start a new life.
So it lived on....

My point,understanding Catholics/Christians is diffcult,we have a bad history,not saying we havnt done good,but the Catholics MAIN TEACHING,IS FUNDALMENTLISM
PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:43 pm


LRD_nick
Ok
Lets go back to the time of chirst,who crufied christ?
The Catholic church order his death because he preached against the catholics,and for Housing a "Fugitve"
Most Catholics are Fundalmentlists,one thing I hate to hell in this life...
Then lets go the Rise of the Romans,Catholics wwas it!
The Catholics Wanted to poor there religion all over the land,SHOVING THERE BELIEFES DOWN PEOPLES THROATS!
Which they still do...
Lets go to World War 2.
The Catholics and sad enough some christians wanted the Jewish/Hebrew religion DOWN THE BLOODY DRAIN!
When I say bloody I mean BLOODY!

After the war Chistians amd Catholics helped the Nazis escape from germany and there postions to start a new life.
So it lived on....

My point,understanding Catholics/Christians is diffcult,we have a bad history,not saying we havnt done good,but the Catholics MAIN TEACHING,IS FUNDALMENTLISM
Uhm...what?

How could the Catholic Church order the crucifixtion of Christ when it didn't even exist until after Christ's death? confused

Fundementalism has nothing to do with Catholicism, seeing as how self-proclaimed Fundementalists are Protestant.

And...I honestly couldn't even decipher the rest fo what you were trying to say.

SinfulGuillotine

Perfect Trash


Atarashi No Sensei

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:17 pm


Marie-Novelle
Hi, everyone!

I don't post here much. I just read some of the conversations now and then but when I saw this, I had to say something. Anyway...

I was a Catholic for 27 years but then I was born again! ^_^ In fact, tomorrow was the day 2 years ago.

My testimony: www.ferretgirl.net
I have to say, the feeling of becoming born again is indescribable. You suddenly feel God's overwhelming forgiveness and love, which causes you to live a life in full obedience to Him. You feel so different and renewed. Being saved is the best life you can live.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:36 am


SinfulGuillotine
LRD_nick
Ok
Lets go back to the time of chirst,who crufied christ?
The Catholic church order his death because he preached against the catholics,and for Housing a "Fugitve"
Most Catholics are Fundalmentlists,one thing I hate to hell in this life...
Then lets go the Rise of the Romans,Catholics wwas it!
The Catholics Wanted to poor there religion all over the land,SHOVING THERE BELIEFES DOWN PEOPLES THROATS!
Which they still do...
Lets go to World War 2.
The Catholics and sad enough some christians wanted the Jewish/Hebrew religion DOWN THE BLOODY DRAIN!
When I say bloody I mean BLOODY!

After the war Chistians amd Catholics helped the Nazis escape from germany and there postions to start a new life.
So it lived on....

My point,understanding Catholics/Christians is diffcult,we have a bad history,not saying we havnt done good,but the Catholics MAIN TEACHING,IS FUNDALMENTLISM
Uhm...what?

How could the Catholic Church order the crucifixtion of Christ when it didn't even exist until after Christ's death? confused

Fundementalism has nothing to do with Catholicism, seeing as how self-proclaimed Fundementalists are Protestant.

And...I honestly couldn't even decipher the rest fo what you were trying to say.
Roman Catholics

dirtdevilgrunt13


ioioouiouiouio

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:21 pm


LRD_nick
Roman Catholics

You dolt. The roman catholic church is, was, and pretty much always will be, a christian organization. They have existed since the schism of the church which created the roman catholic church and the greek orthodox church. The catholics had nothing to do with the crucifiction of Jesus, WWII or fundamentalism.

P.S. it's flaming, but if there was ever a time for it...
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:04 pm


LRD_nick
SinfulGuillotine
LRD_nick
Ok
Lets go back to the time of chirst,who crufied christ?
The Catholic church order his death because he preached against the catholics,and for Housing a "Fugitve"
Most Catholics are Fundalmentlists,one thing I hate to hell in this life...
Then lets go the Rise of the Romans,Catholics wwas it!
The Catholics Wanted to poor there religion all over the land,SHOVING THERE BELIEFES DOWN PEOPLES THROATS!
Which they still do...
Lets go to World War 2.
The Catholics and sad enough some christians wanted the Jewish/Hebrew religion DOWN THE BLOODY DRAIN!
When I say bloody I mean BLOODY!

After the war Chistians amd Catholics helped the Nazis escape from germany and there postions to start a new life.
So it lived on....

My point,understanding Catholics/Christians is diffcult,we have a bad history,not saying we havnt done good,but the Catholics MAIN TEACHING,IS FUNDALMENTLISM
Uhm...what?

How could the Catholic Church order the crucifixtion of Christ when it didn't even exist until after Christ's death? confused

Fundementalism has nothing to do with Catholicism, seeing as how self-proclaimed Fundementalists are Protestant.

And...I honestly couldn't even decipher the rest fo what you were trying to say.
Roman Catholics
Yes, and....?

Because here I though we were talking about Martian Catholics, not Roman Catholics. rolleyes

Two words is not a rebuttal, my dear.

SinfulGuillotine

Perfect Trash

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