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 Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:03 pm
Okay, maybe someone can explain this to me. Why do people keep saying that Quatre has a "space heart" and that he is empathic? I know the scene it comes from, but it makes no sense to me why he should be called empathic. As far as I remember, that only happened once in the series. Shouldn't it have happened more often if he was empathic?
My opinion (as strange as it may sound) until someone can explain what this means is that Quatre had a minor heart attack in his Gundam. Consider it, he was under stress, almost killed a couple of times in that battle, and we knew for a fact that his family has medical problems, hence the reason why all children but him are test-tube babies. And it wouldn't be a coincidence that he had this problem right has Heero was blowing up his Gundam because Une was announcing that they were going to blow up the colonies and Dr. J came on the video screen. Of course that's just what I think. Who can really say?
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:55 pm
Well, a couple of things...
1) The scene where he feels Heero's pain after self-destructing. You really can't attribute that to any personal pain, like a heart attack, since Quatre is shown to be healthy for his age. A heart attack in a healthy 15-year-old would be insane.
2) When Heero collapses after his first use of ZERO, and sees Relena before passing out. Heero is surrounded by a yellow glow; Quatre puts a hand on him, and the glow goes to his hand, which he then sets on his heart. After doing this, he knows that Heero wants to go to Earth and see a certain person.
Of course, later on, Quatre says/realizes what the "heart of space" is Heero himself.
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Preventer Void Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:07 am
That makes a lot of sense. I was wondering about all of that myself. Thank you for clearing it all up for me LOL!
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:27 pm
[Chang_Wufei] Okay, maybe someone can explain this to me. Why do people keep saying that Quatre has a "space heart" and that he is empathic? I know the scene it comes from, but it makes no sense to me why he should be called empathic. As far as I remember, that only happened once in the series. Shouldn't it have happened more often if he was empathic? My opinion (as strange as it may sound) until someone can explain what this means is that Quatre had a minor heart attack in his Gundam. Consider it, he was under stress, almost killed a couple of times in that battle, and we knew for a fact that his family has medical problems, hence the reason why all children but him are test-tube babies. And it wouldn't be a coincidence that he had this problem right has Heero was blowing up his Gundam because Une was announcing that they were going to blow up the colonies and Dr. J came on the video screen. Of course that's just what I think. Who can really say? Fei, you alright?
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:32 pm
Okay, fine. What I said before sounds stupid, but I know the scenes these come from. I just want to know why Quatre feels this over the rest of them since that's what seems to lead people to call Quatre empathic.
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:03 pm
Wait, maybe I'm misunderstanding. Wouldn't the fact that he does feel it more than the rest of the other pilots be the reason why he's an empath?
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:57 am
I understand what he is asking. He wants to know why Quatre is empathic. Fei, would the discussion about Newtypes help? I think it is in the unanswered questions section.
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:34 pm
Empathy normally just means "understanding and entering into another's feelings". However, science fiction has adapted this trait literally, producing the concept of "psychic empathy", by which a person literally feels another's pain or emotions thanks to superhuman powers.
Given the fact that Quatre seems to suffer physical pain (and comments on suffering spiritual pain) when Heero self-destructs, I think the staff was at least hinting at him having psychic empathy.
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Preventer Void Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:53 am
[Quatre_R_Winner] I understand what he is asking. He wants to know why Quatre is empathic. Fei, would the discussion about Newtypes help? I think it is in the unanswered questions section. Yeah, that helps. Thanks.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:33 pm
[Chang_Wufei] Consider it, he was under stress, almost killed a couple of times in that battle, and we knew for a fact that his family has medical problems, hence the reason why all children but him are test-tube babies. Just for clarity's sake, I thought Quatre was also a test tube baby but his mother decided to have a natural birth? In episode zero, Quatre specifically makes a comment about his father and mother "making" him and his sisters, hence the low sense of self-worth.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:48 pm
 Ah yes... His family kept it a secret that he was born naturally since his birth was the reason his mother dided and they just couldn't put that guilt on his shoulders. Better he think that he's manufactured then he know that he killed his mother by existing... The lesser of two evils. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:52 pm
This is true, but I couldn't help but wonder if it wouldn't help him feel that he is worthy of life. It is major guilt but it proves that his mother valued him. She knew she would die but she still did it anyways. I agree, lesser of two evils...
poor Quatre crying
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:29 pm
ChrisJS This is true, but I couldn't help but wonder if it wouldn't help him feel that he is worthy of life. It is major guilt but it proves that his mother valued him. She knew she would die but she still did it anyways. I agree, lesser of two evils... poor Quatre crying Iria discusses this very issue with their father (I think in Episode Zero?). Zayeed wonders for a moment if he should have told Quatre about Quaterine. However, Iria reminds him that Quatre is sensitive and kind, and that knowing his birth killed his mother might hurt him more than thinking he's a test tube baby. Also, going back to the thing about the empathy... like Void said, Quatre's feeling it more psychically than the other three. That's why they didn't react the way he did. Also, his family's medical problems were reproduction related. Because the Winner family had been in space for so long, they were one of the few left that still were experiencing the problems with reproduction. However, that doesn't automatically mean that a naturally born child would be frail. If Quatre had been frail in that way, then he probably wouldn't have been able to handle the Gundam's power at all... let alone last long enough in the series to get to the Siberia mission.
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:33 pm
Sailor Gundam 06 Also, going back to the thing about the empathy... like Void said, Quatre's feeling it more psychically than the other three. That's why they didn't react the way he did. Also, his family's medical problems were reproduction related. Because the Winner family had been in space for so long, they were one of the few left that still were experiencing the problems with reproduction. However, that doesn't automatically mean that a naturally born child would be frail. If Quatre had been frail in that way, then he probably wouldn't have been able to handle the Gundam's power at all... let alone last long enough in the series to get to the Siberia mission. I agree. I think Quatre's character was meant to be sensitive because he is referred to the one who can bring all the pilots together. He is like the binder of the group. The others are all willing to work alone (except maybe Duo) so they needed someone to connect them. In the end we see this...Quatre is the one who stresses that they must work together to succeed. If every pilot were like Wu Fei...they'd have been in trouble hehe. I also think Quatre is the character that represents the fact that the pilots, though extraordinary, are only human. I mean, they all have individual characteristics and faults, but Quatre exemplifies this via his kindness despite rigorous training, especially when he is on the Zero System for the first time (not that kindness is a fault...but you get my point I hope). The doctors use it to solidify that they are all simply human, and, despite their abilities, go through the same inner battles as everyone else. I especially appreciate this aspect because, it seems to say that, even though you are kind or soft or emotional <---(like I tend to be...), you can still accomplish great things. You don't have to be all hard-core to be a hero.
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:41 pm
why couldent it end with wing zero custom vs eypon
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