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 Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:58 am
luftwafe You ignore the lust for power inherent in the meglomaniacal! Even in a completely proletarian society there will still be nut jobs like hitler and *gonna be yelled at later for this* Stalin. Why would you get yelled at for criticizing Stalin? Most of us here do recognize that Stalin was a paranoid psychopath, and should never have led the USSR. And many of us also have a stronger personal distaste for him because we feel that he gives us, as communists, a bad name.
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:51 pm
Gracchvs Quote: You ignore the lust for power inherent in the meglomaniacal! ok, the thing about this condituion is this: such people believe they have the power already. it is not an obsession with gaining power. so, either you do not understand the condition, or you are equating a lust for power with the delusion of possessing it. either way, if they think they have it, nothing is wrong, as they dont. if the want it, then as i said, everybody will have big guns. just a little note on the armaments thing, : if i rulled a country, every house would have 1 AK(latest model) with 5 full clips, 1 anti tank or anti air portable missile launcher with 3 missles, 5 HE grenades and 2 9mm pistols(sure, it would be better if they were bigger, but if it came down to pistols, then it realy doesnt matter what callibre they are, as you would generaly be ******** apply this scheme to the whole world(ajusting for tech as new stuff is made). do you realy think anyone would be able to get controle? really? Quote: hitler and *gonna be yelled at later for this* Stalin. the thing is this: hitler was only able to get power due to the need for excessive repression of the working class after the failed spartakist uprising and the 1923 revolution. stalin was only able to get power through the strength of the bureaucracy created due to a lack of working class controle of the soviets from the latter half of the civil war(those who would have kept bureaucratic tendencies in check were off at the front killing whites) and the utter destruction of industry and lack of resources and food thereof. neither tendency will be present in a communist society developed enough to have completely mechanised labour. Quote: Well, that settles that. I can rest assured that the robots/rights argument has been stilled in my mind. why are people so childish? Ok this seems like it's come down to a point by point debate. As for your plan to arm the masses, I am in favor of that but I still believe some one would be able to seize control. Perhaps they would gain a loyal army that would snipe innocents or reprogram robots to kill others or something. A loosley formed militia of men could wreak utter havoc in a place like that. As for Hitler/Stalin argument, They both took power by force. the stong willed preying upon the weaker willed will always be a part of people. That's why we stronger willed people must endeavor not to rule or exploit them but to aid them. As for the childish remark, You have no sense of humor.
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:09 pm
I think Gracchvs is secreatly a robot... or he has a stick up his bum... oh well.
But Gracchvs, you have solved the problem and I agree with you. Seriuosly now I do, if everyone was armed there would be no problem. Sociaty would rise against any asspiring tyrants.
Now we can only hope that the bug up your a** dies a quick and painfull death, I'm sorry... the right term is a**l retentive. rofl
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:17 pm
Quote: As for Hitler/Stalin argument, They both took power by force. the stong willed preying upon the weaker willed will always be a part of people. That's why we stronger willed people must endeavor not to rule or exploit them but to aid them. no, they didnt. stalin did not conquer the SU, he gaind his position in the bureaucracy, and then empowered the bureaucracy at the expence of the proletariat. hitler, now, when did he use force to get power? ok, now when did it succeed. he was given power by the bourgeoisie. just because the both cemented their personal predeominanc through violence does not mean they aquired power in the first place through its use. if you look at them, one will find that there was no violence in their actuall aquisition of power. Quote: But Gracchvs, you have solved the problem and I agree with you. Seriuosly now I do, if everyone was armed there would be no problem. Sociaty would rise against any asspiring tyrants. exactly. now: Quote: As for the childish remark, You have no sense of humor. Quote: I think Gracchvs is secreatly a robot... or he has a stick up his bum... oh well. ok, in response to these i will say this. humour is fine. and i do have a sence of humour. the only reason i dislike such display is the fact that they come to the detriment of a propper conversation. if one were to make the childish remarks i pointed to, but then proceed to say something worth while, there would be no problem. it is that fact that these people add nothing to the coversation that annoys me.
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:17 am
Gracchvs Quote: As for Hitler/Stalin argument, They both took power by force. the stong willed preying upon the weaker willed will always be a part of people. That's why we stronger willed people must endeavor not to rule or exploit them but to aid them. no, they didnt. stalin did not conquer the SU, he gaind his position in the bureaucracy, and then empowered the bureaucracy at the expence of the proletariat. hitler, now, when did he use force to get power? ok, now when did it succeed. he was given power by the bourgeoisie. just because the both cemented their personal predeominanc through violence does not mean they aquired power in the first place through its use. if you look at them, one will find that there was no violence in their actuall aquisition of power. Quote: But Gracchvs, you have solved the problem and I agree with you. Seriuosly now I do, if everyone was armed there would be no problem. Sociaty would rise against any asspiring tyrants. exactly. now: Quote: As for the childish remark, You have no sense of humor. Quote: I think Gracchvs is secreatly a robot... or he has a stick up his bum... oh well. ok, in response to these i will say this. humour is fine. and i do have a sence of humour. the only reason i dislike such display is the fact that they come to the detriment of a propper conversation. if one were to make the childish remarks i pointed to, but then proceed to say something worth while, there would be no problem. it is that fact that these people add nothing to the coversation that annoys me. Well there seems to be no gain from me arguing with you on this, mostly because it's now off topic and counter productive. Hopefully this will be the last post on the subject which has been essentially settled, unless you feel the need to get the last word in then be my guest.
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