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Scary Fairy v2

PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:16 pm


Introduction.

So yeah. I have a feeling I'll be doing quite a few critiques a month, so I'll be posting my insane thought processes here, my published critiques, and a bit of my personal favorite critiques I've given. I'll also write back-up reviews for those times that everyone else is busy. If anyone has a bone to pick with this thread, tell me. If its not liked, delete it. biggrin

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It's Like The Subway, Only More Cramped.

1. Introduction neutral
2. Critiquing Ways and How to Survive a Critique
3. Published Rants from SF [Published Critiques/Reviews]
4. Critic Rants and Raves
PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:25 pm


I. Critiquing Ways and II. How To Survive A Critique

I. So. The most common way I critique is like this:

Quote:
There are two ways <- To critique.
to critique poetry. <- You stole my wording!


Its seems easier, to me, and I can tell the overall thought at the end of the critique. But, the other way I critique (and what seems like the best way) is like this:

Quote:
Quote:
This is a poem
off the top of my head;


Missy, why did you put this in your poem? Its not very relevant.


II. There are many ways to survive a critique. You can:


A. Say thank you and take very, very detailed observations and critique your poem exactly like they said to. [You can do it this way, but I wouldn't. Takes some of your touch out of the poem!]

B. Say "U d0nt no nething, $0 y sh0uld i listen 2 u???!!1" and start flaming the critiquer. [How dare you! This is the worst way to respond. Counter flaming will ensue, and you will die.]

C. Say thank you, read their critique, and work on each thing. If you are very, very, very against what they said, just leave it the way you see fit. But, use good judgement.


I'd choose C, because just about everyone's happy. You got a good critique, the critic feels better 'cause they didn't get a mean responce, and the poem in turn gets better! biggrin

neutral = 2. Critiquing Ways and How To Survive a Critique.

Scary Fairy v2


Scary Fairy v2

PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:32 pm


Published Rants from SF [Published Critiques]

1. Gaian Press, Issue 17.0, June '06
2. Gaian Press, Issue 19.0, August '06

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:33 pm


Critic Rants and Raves
1. September 24, 2006: Well, coming back from the dead and critiquing a little something, I've noticed I've forgotten what a big pain it is for someone to blantly not listen to critique. Makes me so mad; I wonder if its just because the critiquer isn't a publisher/Ph.D in creative writing, or such. scream

neutral = 4. Critic Rants and Raves.

Scary Fairy v2


Scary Fairy v2

PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:25 pm


Oh god. I'm going to be talking to myself! surprised

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(1) Scary Fairy
(2) Thank You Card
(3) PG
(4) Sure. I love comments.


I'm not sure about this title. It feels... Boring. Like, really boring. I think you could make it have the same effect, but this ain't cutting it.

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Its never comfortable
sleeping on your couch.

Hmm. I think this a pretty good start. I like the whole 'I can't sleep on your couch' vibe.

Quote:
The blankets only made my skin
more aware
of the fridge in the corner.

Well, I believe that blankets wouldn't make skin more aware of the cool. Also, that second line feels pretty weak. Maybe it's something with the line breaks.

Quote:
There's no need for lace
to cover me up.

Wait. It just said that you were covered with blankets, right? Be a little more clear. Also, I do like how it's stating that the blankets were skimpy. Interesting way of saying it, but this format isn't working.

Quote:
The walkie talkies we had
in childhood, you know where
they are? Snail mail won't
cover it when I leave
the country.


I find this really kiddy-cute. I think the question is okay, but I'm not sure about leaving it unanswered. The whole 'snail-mail' thing; is it a ploy to say you think its too expensive?

Quote:
You say we're too
young -- look in the mirror.


Okay, too young for what? I think I know what you're implying, but let's make sue that everyone knows, shall we? The 'look in the mirror' is kinda borderline cliche, too. I think it's acceptable to keep, though, in this setting.

Quote:
We're not the kids who
fed the ducks.


Ah, sharing memories? Well, let's make sure you know that the reader will pick up on this memory-vibe.

Quote:
Let's go on some mainsteam
road trip, music blasting and
cigarettes in our right hands,
so Daddy won't find us. All


I think that 'music' could be replaced with 'FM radio' or something to stay with that mainstream air.

Quote:
he'll have are year-old suicide
notes and stale photographs of us.


Crunchy photographs? Cool! I think that 'notes' could move to the line above it.

Quote:
Color me bored, dear, for
this everyday
idea is getting to taste
like a stale bread crumb plea,


Color me bored? Hmm, I'm not sure if this is cliche or not, but I'd be careful with it. The first line break wasn't very good, either. Also, are we going back to the feeding the ducks theme? I like it. I think you've got a little redundance with 'stale'.

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complete with a monotone,
"No, its my hot dog, not yours."


Heh. Cute.

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Eternity's a long time -- there's
not much left to say.


Okay, and all I can say is WTF? I think this would be a lovely concept if it weren't so bluntly put out.

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I'm tired, tired, tired. Mom
says I should grow up,
get a job, do something
worthwhile for once.


Ooh. And now we go to the pressure-of-Mother that everyone feels. I believe someone took a little note from Ms. Plath on that first sentence.

Quote:
Can't you smell the sweat? There's


This first sentence just screams "SO NOVELTY-LIKE THAT ITS CHEESY". Now, c'mon. You can do better than that.

Quote:
a Slacker dream that's a
broken dream. The Sims 2
is on trial for treason.


Very smart right here. Taking the video game trials to the extreme? I do believe that 'broken dream' was cliche, though. In fact, that first sentence could use some re-wording.

Quote:
These scripted words don't say much.


Oh, I like this ending. Very watch-your-words like.




Overall:
Okay, not exactly the best, but its acceptable. I liked all the ideas, and how it felt very transitional throughout a young life. Nice for the whole underlying autobio. BUT. You need to make sure everyone knows what the hell you're talking about. Its okay to be abstract, but there's no need to go abstraction-overboard.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:28 pm


New rant, if anyone cares.

Scary Fairy v2


Scary Fairy v2

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:28 pm


Quote:
School
By Lillian Ashe


I'd go with a different title. This just exudes immaturity, from my point of view, anyway. I mean, there are so many different ways to title this poem; I think this one just does it injustice.

Quote:
The room is an oven, the children the bread


Fix that comma to a semicolon or something of the like.

Quote:
sucked of all moisture and slowly,
ever so slowly,
asphyxiated.


I think that the second line here feels too much like fillers in meat. Just, not too nice and doesn't taste that good on your tongue. So, I'd just go ahead and omit that second line and those commas.

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The room is a star field, with the few shining bright
and some a slight glimmer--
aptitude but no ambition.


That last sentence feels too tell-ish. The other part is passable, but the 'few shining bright' and 'slight glimmer' just sounds too much like its already been used. I'm pretty sure you can do better.

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Others, moons reflecting the sun;
more lost to the black hole of ignorance.


See, this is what I mean. I'm not sure about the 'black hole of ignorance', though. It feels pretty straightforward for a metaphor.

Quote:
The teaching is like a pillow,
under which creativity respires and expires;


Is 'the' really needed? You could omit it, really. I like the idea of creativity breathing and dying, and the way you presented it. Nice job there.

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and the children, bless their (lack of) souls,
use as the well-worn path to Dreamland.


Since you just used a semicolon, the 'and' isn't needed. I don't like the idea of the 'bless their souls', but I like the idea of the lack therof.

Quote:
The desks sigh, and the seats groan
as the pen(cil)s hurry to copy the answers
off their next-seat neighbors.


I'm not sure if the wording of the first line is doing justice, really. Its a nice idea, but the way its presented just doesn't work out too well. Also, the copying part feels a bit straightforward, like you just stuck it out there because we couldn't understand it otherwise.

Quote:
Whoosh; the balled up paper
(an “imaginated” airplane)
swoops and soars like a stunt flyer
only to miss the trash-goal.


I love the playfulness of this stanza.

Quote:
The groans of disgust from the commentating boys
are masked by the chitter-chatter of the twitter-bird children


I enjoy the internal rhyme in the second line. I think you could change 'commentating boys' into something like those people who report the golf games and such.

Quote:
(a-twittering and -tweetering about the latest and greatest),
the soprano counterpart to the tuneless mumble-grumble
uttered in voices like golems’.


Change that first comma to something like a semicolon or dash or such. This is a nice little stanza, though 'mumble-grumble' does feel a bit elementary, compared to what I've read from this poem so far.

Quote:
Whinging about the latest assignment leads to
faux-goth notes carved into faux-wood desks


I'm not sure if this first line break is such a good idea, but the faux-goth/faux-wood repetition is just splendid.

Quote:
as the children, like so many carrion crows, circle overhead
just waiting,
for the raptors to attack
(poor twitter-birds, to meet such a brutal end).


The second line feels very filler-like, which isn't too good. This metaphor is very nicely done, though.

Quote:
At the teacher’s glare, like a Gorgon’s saturnine stare,
the room, a not so gentle cacophony,--
as harsh as the most cynical of magazine critics
and pounding like a jackhammer in the middle of Manhattan
--quiets.


Couldn't you delete the fourth comma? I mean, there's a dash right beside it. Also, the last line break isn't that appealing, in my opinion.

Quote:
The teacher speaks, her voice a monotonous droning
as much as an old cigarette-smoking man with a cold
and a somewhat nasalized vernacular,


Total love for this. Its a great simile set-up that almost no poetry I see nowadays uses.

Quote:
as she draws diagram upon diagram on the
ever-so-prettily decorated chalkboard.


And, this just falls flat. Its boring compared to how nicely you just showed us that teacher and how she speaks. The slight repetition of 'diagram' isn't all that nice, even though it sounds alright. 'Ever-so-prettily' is a downslide, as well.

Quote:
Fingers drop the chalk
(the epitome of education),
which falls and catches itself on the rim
at the bottom of the board;


No real qualms here. Its not bad, but its not exactly good, either. Can't put my finger on what makes it so okay, but not great.

Quote:
it leaves a trail of fine white powder,
coke on the mirror,


Pure love here. Though, I'm not sure if 'coke' is such a good word to use here. It'd be pretty cool if you'd use a somewhat scientific word for it, but have context clues so we don't totally have no idea what you're saying.

Quote:
to be killed, wiped into oblivion,
with those self-same fingers
(‘Quick, before Mother sees!’).


No qualms here, either.

Quote:
Like a latex glove stretched thin over jaundiced skin,
the chalk-colored hand will show no fortune-lines
until it is dusted,


Oh, that last line falls a bit flat. Other liens are very nicely done, again, though.

Quote:
and chalk debris floats down as snow
to the scuffed linoleum floor.

The students will mirror Teacher-dearest,


I do completely hate 'Teacher-dearest'. I don't really know why, but it just irks me so bad.

Quote:
dusting their own hands so that dead skin
and graphite
fall onto the desks like an offering, rejected, from above.


I'm not a fan of that second line. Its probably just subject to some bad line breaks, but it doesn't hold much of anything, really.
Quote:

They are automatons,
like robots,
copying from the board
straight onto the virginal sheets,
previously unblemished as a sacrificial lamb.


This seems to remind me of a Catholic school so very much.

Quote:
The ink bleeds on the paper,
a scritch-scratch punctuating every wound,


Oh, I don't like this much at all. I know there is a better way to make this personification a good one, and you could play with this to no end to make us readers think.

Quote:
in black and blue
(shades of a bruise)
and the many garish CareBear-colors.


There's no need for those parentheses. That one's a given, compared to the wound personification. I like the Care-Bear color vibe, however.

Quote:
Far worse than all the colors--
my eyes, they burn with afterimages;
Give me the sun and a telescope any day
--are the papers and poems
(surely, being made to read this
constitutes child abuse.)


YES. I know how this feels, and those last two lines just made me so relieved that this would be brought up. This is quite possibly my favorite stanza.

Quote:

Each word, pronunciation distorted
beyond any recognition,
causes nerves to shudder as they carry
their message to the slowly dying
brain.


The second line is a bit bland. Its like a fill-in. This is a nice ending from my thoughts.

Overall: Wow. This is a very good piece, but there are a few places that need a deal of work. But, its a lot better than most of what flows through here, and you know you agree.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:21 pm


TO BE CRITIQUED.

Scary Fairy v2


enchantedsleeper

Eloquent Explorer

PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:48 pm


I know you. You're a Deus Ex Machinan. Would you like someone to talk to, or would you rather people didn't post in your thread? I'm worried that people aren't going to read mine, although I only posted it a little while ago so they may yet ^_^ Anyway, I liked your examples on how to critique a lot. Where did you find the poems?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:24 pm


Quote:
(1) Pen name? Cerulean
(2) Entry title? Snow
(3)Rating: T? I'll you make the final decison then.
(4) Can we comment on your work if it's published by us? Sure thing. It would be nice to have other opinions on it, too.
(5) Post here:


I will go ahead and admit that I am always a little cautious with the one-word title. With the title you chose, truthfully, I'm not expecting a good poem. The title, along with the first stanza, will most likely be the top way to draw the reader in. You need a good title.

Quote:
Snow is like little lights that fall from the sky,
Cooling the roads of the world,
Soothing the pain of the people.


I love the idea of snow being little lights -- I'd just rather it be the other way around. Dealing with a force of nature like this in poetry just feels very childish and amateur. Also, the third line was very cliched, which doesn't add to good poetry.

Quote:
Snow is like a cold finger,
Touching my heart and turning it to ice,
Making me remember, what peace is like.


Once again, this feels fourth-grade-esque. You don't want to sound childish when speaking of nature, because you risk not having an audience. Especially in the first line of this stanza -- the same set-up as the first stanza made it very lazy and slouchy. This was a bad stanza overall.

Quote:
Snow is like a gentle breeze,
Falling to my face gently,
Teaching me compassion in the midst of a harsh blizzard.


This stanza was pretty, well, corny. Somewhat like it came out of a Hallmark card. I like that you did use a bit of metaphor at the end of the last line of this stanza, though.

Quote:
Snow is like me now,
Cold, calm, and dead,
That I whatever I was, whatever I touched, have become affected.


And this feels very teen-angst mixed with the poetry kids write in elementary school. Its not good, and everything else pretty much applies here.


Overall: Yes, I know I was a bit harsh, and I'm sorry about it, but you really needed to hear this. This poem pretty much held up to my expectations, which really weren't that high. I also noticed that you ended each line with punctuation and at the end of phrases. You can take more chances with your line breaks. Also, I noticed that you didn't use that much imagery, which you really do need to take in and use.

Scary Fairy v2


Scary Fairy v2

PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:51 pm


enchantedsleeper
I know you. You're a Deus Ex Machinan. Would you like someone to talk to, or would you rather people didn't post in your thread? I'm worried that people aren't going to read mine, although I only posted it a little while ago so they may yet ^_^ Anyway, I liked your examples on how to critique a lot. Where did you find the poems?


I suppose I really would like to keep excess posting down to a minimum in here -- sorry. These poem-critiques are from the Gaian 'zine or the Mound/Oasis. 3nodding Thanks.
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