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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:25 pm
Yes.
Who should be in charge?
I think all of you would say “Hey it's my body, shouldn't I be able to make decisions that regard it?....like what I eat, how I exercise, if I get a tattoo or not, change my hair color etc.."
Sounds reasonable right?
But what about on the parental consent for an abortion OR BC, MAP, or EC? What do you think about the states that now require girls under eighteen to get parental consent for an abortion almost up to 48 hours before the procedure?
Some of you might be thinking "Hey that’s a great idea, because abortion is a big decision and these girls need all the emotional help they can get"
But I know what the other spectrum of you are thinking "But what if that parents prevents the girl from getting the abortion because of the parents beliefs, not the girls" and the other way around. what if the girls beliefes' differ from the parents and she wants to keep it? is it nesscarily right if her parents force her to get an abortion even if she doesn't want one?
Now remember guys ~ it's the girl who's pregnant, not the parents. And not everybody has the most loving and supporting family like all of wish we could.
IE;
Quote: However, in some set of cases, pregnant adolescents have entirely valid and rational reasons to avoid sharing news of a pregnancy and a planned abortion with their parents. Perhaps they fear violent reprisals; perhaps the pregnancy results from incest. For these women, parental consultation not only lacks value, it puts them at risk for harm.
For all we know there could be some parents out there who just want to punish there kid for having sex and make them keep it. Which should never be done because in my opinion no child should be used as punishment, due to the fact that usually only brings along unhappy parents with unwanted kids in broken homes. Or heck maybe the parent is saying "Wow I'm going to have a grandbaby! I absolutely love babies!" OR again - what if the parents are forcing her to get an abortion yet she intends to keep it-
Doesn’t seem all too right now does it? confused I mean what if you came home and your dad was sitting on the couch and he says "well I don't have any room on my skin for anymore tattoos, but since you're my daughter I'm going to start getting tattoos on you now!"
D: Also let me throw into the equation that - underage girls can bypass the parent consent or notification laws by going to court and asking a judge for permission. Then a parent can not usually can not overturn the decision of the girl getting the procedure.
Okay enough talking for now;
Below is a map of the United States color coded - or just black and white/gray that represents which states need parental consent, notification and which states don't have any laws. EDIT: I think this map may be a bit newer then the other, since it has more info.  Okay I want to throw another thing into the equation. Most of you should know that most states have a sexual consent age at either 14 or 16. Shouldn’t that come into play or not?
I mean if you’re allowed to have sex at 16 by state law, then shouldn't you be able to make decisions about your reproductive health?
Ah well
Heres some good reading on this subject Legalffairs - Parent - free abortion?
So what's your opinion on this subject? 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:13 pm
I think abortion laws are absurd. I mean, on one hand, thinking "Wow, hey, that may be a good idea in some cases." but for the most part, it doesn't seem right. And seeing as how there's really no exception rules, I do believe that consent, or notification, is not necessary.
Oh and, woot! *looks and map* *lives in NY*
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:51 pm
To my knowledge, parents do not have the right to force sex on their daughter.
Nor do they have a right to force her to donate blood, marrow, or organs to another person.
And to my knowledge, they don't have the right to keep them from doing any of these either.
(There may be restrictions on that based on age, but it's not "because mommy dearest said so.")
Now, I think it's obvious what those two have in common with abortion. All involve bodily integrity rights.
If parents don't have the right to a (final) say in their daughter's BI in these instances, why should they get a final say in this instance?
Now, I don't know how old that map is, but I live in FL and apparently I'd need parental notification (not consent) if I needed an abortion. I honestly think this is the best out of the three situations. This way the parents know what is going on and the daughter is free to pursue her right. This is preferable to the "no lawe" states in which a girl can secretly have an abortion, have some complication, and have panicked parents who may not be able to give her the help she needs.
I do realize that this gives the parents an opportunity to stop their daughter, but only in the sense that being around a rapist gives him an opportunity to rape. In the even of either of those situations they should be charged the same, as they are both violating her BI.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:53 am
To me, it only makes sense to have parental consent laws, or notification at the very very least. Kids can't get a simple ear piercing without parental consent, for God's sake, but they should be able to go and have a guy scrape a knife around their uterus without their parents ever knowing?
In this case, it's not a matter of whether abortion is right or not. It's honestly a matter of safety for the girls. What happens if they never tell their parents and it turns out there was some sort of complication? If the girls didn't want to tell their parents they were getting an abortion to begin with, will they tell their parents when they start having serious problems, so that they can get immediate help? Or will they just ignore it and hope it goes away?
Eh. At least Texas has notification laws.
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:13 pm
It is a difficult situation; we want girls to be safe if something goes wrong (and remember early abortions are far more safe than going to term) but we also want them to be safe from the wrath of a parent. We have to understand that not all parent's are full of hugs and kisses (or maybe the wrong kinds of hugs and kisses).
Someone help me out here. In America are parent's allowed to view the medical records of thier children at any time? It's difficult enough to view your own damn records in Britain, let alone your childs... or maybe I'm just talking form my own experience as a minor *sigh*
If the abortion goes on record, and there ARE complications at least the medical staff will know what to do.
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:23 pm
I.Am To me, it only makes sense to have parental consent laws, or notification at the very very least. Kids can't get a simple ear piercing without parental consent, for God's sake, but they should be able to go and have a guy scrape a knife around their uterus without their parents ever knowing? In this case, it's not a matter of whether abortion is right or not. It's honestly a matter of safety for the girls. What happens if they never tell their parents and it turns out there was some sort of complication? If the girls didn't want to tell their parents they were getting an abortion to begin with, will they tell their parents when they start having serious problems, so that they can get immediate help? Or will they just ignore it and hope it goes away? Eh. At least Texas has notification laws. Yes it make sense and should have to notify her parents before hand. There is always risks invold and her parents should know in case if something happens. If they are afraid if the parents would beat her, they she probly shouldn't be living with them in the first place and report them long ago or told someone if they were abusive. Not only should someone should know incase of complications but parents should have the right to know about their child and any medical procedure since they are minors and living with them. I'm sure if someone of you guys ever had children you would want to know right?
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:57 pm
sachiko_sohma If they are afraid if the parents would beat her, they she probly shouldn't be living with them in the first place and report them long ago or told someone if they were abusive. What if she had nowhere else to go? And if she didn't make an attempt, so what, she's screwed? There's no other option for her other than eventually get beaten possibly to death?
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:37 pm
Toga! Toga! sachiko_sohma If they are afraid if the parents would beat her, they she probly shouldn't be living with them in the first place and report them long ago or told someone if they were abusive. What if she had nowhere else to go? And if she didn't make an attempt, so what, she's screwed? There's no other option for her other than eventually get beaten possibly to death? That's why she or someone call the police and if she is a minor then they find her a place (probly foster care). It's better and probly safer then living with abusive parents or beaten to death. Parents like that have their kids taken way and for a good reason. They probly would abuse her weither or not she was pregnant or had an abortion so if she didn't say anything then yes she proby would be screwed. Why should some bad parents stop other parents knowing about their daughter having an abortion which can and does involve risks? They are still minors and parents have to help take care of them and how can they do that if the daugher doesn't tell them and has a complication and don't tell them about that either because she didn't want to tell them about the abortion? How does that help anyone? If by chance you were a parent or ever want kids in the future, you would want to know about your daughter having or planning to have an abortion or not right? Doesn't matter what you think of it you probly want to know 1. in case of complications and get her help right away and 2. you want to be able to trust her and not have her lie or not tell you about important stuff/issues like this.
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:11 pm
Unless you have scars or life threatening injuries given to you by your parents - the police or social system won't do s**t for you.
I know from exprience. My step father was beating me and I was able to call the police. nothing happened to my step father but the police put me in holding cell for 'making prank calls', and 'battery & assult' against my step father, EVEN THOUGH I had bruises the length of my arms, legs and about everywhere else. the courts, when hearing the charges just dismissed them but did nothing else. they just over looked me.
I was 13 when that happened. neutral
If you tell someone you're afraid of your parents - that they might beat you, either that person is going to call your parents and ask questions which = an extra beating for you, or tell someone like the police/social system and nothing happens.
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:20 pm
Um, your map is wrong. California is listed as requiring consent when it does not require consent or notification.
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:22 pm
ReiDuck Um, your map is wrong. California is listed as requiring consent when it does not require consent or notification. I know, I believe the map is from 00'. I need to get a new one, but I just haven't found one yet.
Edit: I found another map, don't know if it's that much better though.
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:30 pm
It says copyright '01, so it is newer.
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