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Lord Setar

PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:18 am


-Please cite your sources if you provide definitions

First five definitions are from Wiktionary

Responsibility: The state of being responsible, answerable, or accountable

Responsible: Answerable for an act performed or for its consequences; accountable; amenable, especially legally or politically.

Consequence: That which follows something on which it depends; that which is produced by a cause

Logic - Abortion is thus considered a consequence, as it is effectively produced by unwanted pregnancy.

Punishment:
1. The act of punishing.
2. Penalty for wrongdoing, especially for crime.

Punish: To cause to suffer for crime or misconduct. To administer disciplinary action

The above infers what pro-lifers seem to think - sex is some kind of misconduct. For the suffer part, see the great big list of stuff that pregnancy causes.

Murder: the illegal killing of a person, especially with malice aforethought - dictionary.law.com

Above is inferred to being "with intent to do harm to/to kill the victim" as the accidental illegal killing of a person is manslaughter, but the illegal killing of a person with the intent to do harm without premeditation is second degree murder.

Amendment 14 to the United States Constitution - defines personhood

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


-Wikipedia

If read, shows illegalizing abortion as unconstitutional, as women have the liberty to abortion and as such, unless there is a reason coming through violation of law to abridge this privelege or deprive women of this liberty, no state is allowed to remove this liberty through laws.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:34 am


From Merriam-Webster:

Main Entry: re•spon•si•bil•i•ty
Pronunciation: ri-"spän(t)-s&-'bi-l&-tE

1: the quality or state of being responsible: as a: moral, legal, or mental accountability b: RELIABILITY, TRUSTWORTHINESS
2: something for which one is responsible

The definition above is more subjective than anything, especially where morals are mentioned.

Half Baked SF


PersephoneMediocris

PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:15 pm


I found a fuller definition of murder:

Webster's New World Dictionary: School and Office Edition Says:
Quote:
Murder, (mur-der), n. the unlawful and malicious or premeditated killing of a person. v.t., 1. to kill unlawfully and with malice. 2. to botch, as in performance: as, she murdered that song.


Actual dictionaries are often considered more reputable than websites, and this proves that even if you're not going by the legal definition abortion isn't murder.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:09 pm


Dictionary dot Law dot com - as Setar already used. I linked it cause, well...I didn't see it linked before.

Online Medical Dictionary dot org - Speaks for itself.

M-W dot com - a very good online dictionary for other terms not found in medical or legal dictionaries.

[Ernie]

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