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 Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:16 pm
I guess I like Aeris more than Tifa and used to argue against Tifa once in a while. I mean, the one thing that gets to me the most owuld be the miniskirt... NOT that is it slutty, NOT that she has to show leg, but because it si not PRACTICAL. For as self sufficient as she is, one owuld think she'd have, well shorts I suppose, for her kick flips and such, so to me it was that fact that it didnt make SENSE to have a practical woman in some bottoms that were, well, NOT practical o.O That also makes me wonder about the belt and suspenders combo... They both do their job so why have both? Isnt one fine? That confuses me. @.@
And I worry sometimes about the sanity of her, Cloud and Barret when they leave the Bar to Marlene >_>() but that's just a personal twitch.
The reason I enjoy Aeris is that she shows the innocent side that I always wish I had. No more than that really. So it is personal to me that I like Aeris. I also like her shrewd buisness practices, I find it amusing and gutsy.
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:20 pm
Serrinatta I guess I like Aeris more than Tifa and used to argue against Tifa once in a while. I mean, the one thing that gets to me the most owuld be the miniskirt... NOT that is it slutty, NOT that she has to show leg, but because it si not PRACTICAL. For as self sufficient as she is, one owuld think she'd have, well shorts I suppose, for her kick flips and such, so to me it was that fact that it didnt make SENSE to have a practical woman in some bottoms that were, well, NOT practical o.O That also makes me wonder about the belt and suspenders combo... They both do their job so why have both? Isnt one fine? That confuses me. @.@ And I worry sometimes about the sanity of her, Cloud and Barret when they leave the Bar to Marlene >_>() but that's just a personal twitch. The reason I enjoy Aeris is that she shows the innocent side that I always wish I had. No more than that really. So it is personal to me that I like Aeris. I also like her shrewd buisness practices, I find it amusing and gutsy. i like your point about the bar and practicality, they make me giggles
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:32 pm
Do I have to have a reason to dislike Tifa and love Aeris?
Well, I don't... I just don't like Tifa that much, I don't hate her though.
I love Aeris. ninja
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:01 pm
I don't hate Tifa, but I absolutely, direly HATE Aeris! My reason: She gets so ANNOYING!
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Vincent Valentine - Demon
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:58 am
i like them both.but i realise how much i like aeris when she dies crying
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:56 am
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 11:20 am
call me weird but i hate tifa because i dont really see her and cloud as a couple i hate her because she was jsut in the way. lol yea i have some issues but i just dont like her at all truly this is mean but she should have died and not aeris. I guess my issue is toward who derseves cloud more lol.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:07 pm
well it doesnt matter they both hot serious if they was real id definately tap that twisted
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:08 pm
Well I was a rabid Cloud fangirl for a long time so I did...dislike them for some time but now I kinda think they're okay...I'm not the rabid Cloud fangirl I use to be. crying
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:18 am
Well Tifa is my fave character, and as a lot of people know her boobs are highly exaggerated and some people dislike her because that..I would think sweatdrop
I mean, it would be alright if they were maybe slightly larger than average but to have it like carrying 2 extra heads growing from your chest is a bit much dont you think? Then again, you shouldnt judge a book by it's cover..people look at her and think, she's a whore, slut, etc but they don't even know her, I bet, anyway.
And as for Aeris, she seemed clingy to Cloud as well as Tifa..like his fangirl club or something..unfortunately one just had to be ignored crying
I never really like Aeris..and like many other people it is just because she bugs you, to put it simply. It's like she has some...barrier..or repellant and it just repells you away from her...lol well I dont know
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:41 pm
It's like petty Fight over two girls..Sech..I have have my way it would be Aeris! 
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:44 am
StrawberrieIceCream Bah, others have commented before me, and I might as well put in my two cents.
Mind you, these will be a big set of two cents. xd That, and they'll probably be chock full of spoilers, so tread with caution.
Aerith and Tifa, both kind, beautiful, and in love with the same man. Anybody is entitled to their own opinion, so long as it is presented in a thoughtful, well articulated manner, hopefully supported by facts. First, let's focus on Tifa, shall we?
Tifa Lockheart is kind, caring, and a bit of a mother hen when it comes to those she loves. However, her loving nature and amazing domestic skills (she is reputed to be an amazing cook by Wedge) are nicely balanced by a firey spirit and almost unmatched physical prowess on the battlefield. She's not afraid to stand for what she believes in, and is always there to watch your back, through thick and thin. Her friends are her family, and thus she will do almost anything to help them. She tries to keep their spirits up, even if she herself feels like the world itself may be ending. She looks to the stars, hoping for a better tomorrow as she works hard to help those around her.
However, she is not perfect. She gets angry, loses her cool, and like any other human being out there, finds herself lost in the midst of the events that occur around her.
So, why do people hate her, someone might ask? Let's look at some of the most common reasons, with the ones regarding a relationship with Cloud at the very end...
'She's a slut! Her boobs are too big, and she dresses like a two dollar whore!'
No, she is not a slut, and nothing you say will make her sluttier. In fact, the only time you'll ever find a 'slut Tifa' would be to look for all those bountiful pornographic hentai images that folks like to draw of her. Granted, those are the same kinds of images that make Aerith and any other female character a slut, but that's besides the point, right? She's a slut just because you say so, right? Because she doesn't fit your ideal of what a woman should look like?
WRONG.
Tifa is a gorgeous and strong woman. Beauty has many meanings, as everyone on this planet sees beauty a little differently than the next person. What you find to be horrendous may appear captivating to another.
As with how Tifa dresses, SO WHAT? Many girls I know of dress this way, yet they do not go about sleeping around with whatever man catches their eye. Sure, they like to dress in a manner that they consider cute, but do they go about in a manner that suggests they are easy?
Surprisingly to many people, a majority of these girls don't.
Saying that a girl is a slut just because of what she wears is as stupid and horrid as the idea that just because a girl wears a short skirt and a showy top, that she deserved to get raped.
Just because YOU wouldn't dress that way, and just because YOU find it inappropriate or distasteful does NOT mean that said girl is a slut. This applies to Tifa. A woman is not a slut by the way she dresses or how her body looks, but by her actions. ACTIONS make people what they are.
Granted, Tifa's miniskirt is most definitely NOT ideal for a martial artist, but if you took into consideration what some of the other young girls Tifa's age in Midgar tend to wear (like the NPC female on the train with short red hair), then you'll realize that she's technically dressed rather normally.
If anybody called Tifa a slut, then she'd pummel their sorry a** to the Lifestream, RESURRECT them, and pummel them some more. There is no proof from the game, Before Crisis, Advent Children, Last Order, Dirge of Cerberus, or anything ELSE officially endorsed by Square-Enix that features Tifa that would even HINT that she is a slut. Meaning, she ISN"T a slut.
As for boobs, I'll try to keep it short.
Boobs do not make the woman. Nor do they make a slut.
Tifa's breasts are large mainly because the concept of a sexy yet strong fighter was considered a good idea by the creators. It definitely was, and still is. Being sexy is not a problem at all, especially if the character in question is able to take care of themself just fine with amazing feats of martial arts or what have you. CONTRARY TO WHAT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SAY, big breasts will not hurt your back. The ones Tifa has are just fine, and they won't make her hunch over or anything absurd like that.
If you had big breasts, it'd be easier to understand. My older sister and myself have no problems at all going about our daily lives as it is, and we're considered busty like Tifa is. However, does that make us a set of sluts?
Nope. I've never dated, and I rather doubt Tifa's done much dating either, considering how busy she is with her life as it is.
Others might say that Tifa 'obviously' flaunts her breasts.
What, do you expect her to apologize everytime they happen to stick out past her tummy, which is like, EVERY FLIPPIN' SECOND? If you switched breasts between Aerith and Tifa, then Aerith would be getting the bad rap about the 'flaunting,' not Tifa. When Tifa stretches at the end of combat and brings her chest out, that is a result of the stretching, not because she wants the glorious light of day to bless her honkers with it's holy light after another victory in battle.
If Cid had done the exact same stretching, nobody would give a damn, because Cid doesn't have boobs that just happen to jut out. However, Tifa gets a bad rap because SHE has large breasts.
Girls have been known to naturally grow large breasts, and this includes one of my classmates from high school. She was a sweet and very bright girl, but attracted a lot of unwanted attention because of her cupsize. For crying out loud, she had ones bigger than Tifa, but that didn't make HER a slut. Because damn it, she definitely wasn't.
Only in the most extreme cases (way beyond what Tifa's got) will having a large rack hurt your back. And that's not counting the other factors that could lead to a hurt back.
Also, Tifa's boobs do not go up to her face, or any other part of her body. They actually stay where they are, which is on her chest.
Quite interesting, no?
Oh poo, so much for the excuse of her appearance, no? Well, let's tackle another one.
'She's so evil, the conniving b***h. Always forcing Cloud to do this or that because of the stupid promise they made when they were kids. She even lied to him about his past! The ho'!'
Erm, yeah. Right. We all know Tifa is an evil and conniving b***h because she cares for her friends, particularly Cloud, very deeply. I mean, what kind of rival would cry real tears of anguish when her supposed 'rival' in love is murdered before her eyes?
Oh wait, we're talking about TIFA, not some other ninny.
When Cloud made that promise to Tifa, it was just Tifa fulfilling a childish wish that she'd have someone to rescue her in a time of need, right? Not quite. Granted, she did possess that sort of wish, but she also wanted to know that Cloud would come back. At this time, she barely knew the kid, other than the fact that he'd always get into fights and had no friends.
Why did she ask Cloud, when she could have asked any of the toher boys, whom she was most certainly friends with at the time?
Because Cloud was different. He wasn't perfect, but he damn well tried his best to do what he thought was right.
It also might have been a way for Tifa to reach out to Cloud before he'd leave for town, since they'd barely known one another. Perhaps she was beginning to realize that the other boys weren't exactly her type.
Regardless, when Tifa reminds Cloud of the promise, she is, in a way, trying to prevent herself from losing him again. She lost him to Shinra the first time when he went to apply for Soldier. She lost him again after the tragedy of her hometown unfurled in a blaze of hatred and flame. She did not want to lose the last living, real piece of her past, her home, of herself, to some whim of chance. She cared for him, like she did Barret, Biggs, Wedge, Jessie and Marlene. She's already lost so much in her life earlier, her mother to illness, her father to Sephiroth's sword, and her past to Sephiroth's insanity. Do you honeslty think that, after FINALLY finding Cloud alive and well, that she'd just let him disappear without a trace?
Oh hellz no she wouldn't. I know I sure as hell wouldn't.
So, she reminds him. That promise held a childish hope, a dream of not only hers, but of something that Cloud had, because that was probably the first time anyone had sought him out for anything close to that. Innocent wishes, dreams of the future are what her promis was about. Those are some of the things that Cloud and the others are fighting for, fighting hard to protect. When Cloud feels like quitting or gets way off track, Tifa brings up the promise to remind him of what they are fighting for. It's not so that she can make him feel terrible for leaving. If that were the case, then Cloud would have seen through it and left the first chance he'd gotten, money matters aside.
When Tifa brings up that promise, Cloud remembers that he's fighting for people like Marlene, who have a whole future ahead of them. He's fighting for people like Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie, who had dreams they never got to accomplish. It is not just about Tifa when she reminds him of the promise; its' about everyone else in the end, too.
Fear of loneliness might also play a role in it, since despite having friends around her all the time, she probably still felt alone. Especially around the time her mother passed away. Cloud is the only person in Avalanche that she really 'knows' and has a special connection with (not childhood friends, but not complete strangers growing up in the same town). He shares her past. She doesn't want to lose that piece of herself if she can avoid it, and thus, the promise.
As for her line in Advent Children, where she is quoted as to saying, "Which is it? A memory, or us?"...
This is not low, it's Tifa pointing out the obvious. Cloud needs to get over himself, and realize that moping over people he couldn't save won't bring atonement, nor will is help the situation any. He'll probably never forget, which Tifa is well aware of, but to let a memory like that control your daily life and the way you see the world is not only unhealthy, but it's miserable. Tifa and the others KNOW that Cloud couldn't have done anything more than what he'd already done to save Zack and Aerith. They also know that, although they still mourn their loss, picking at it won't let the hurt heal any faster. It'd be like continuously picking at a scab on a bad cut.
Tifa's line in Advent Childen wasn't a "What is it, me or Aerith?" sort of line. It was more of a "Are you ready to recognize those around you who still love and care for you, or are you still stuck in the past, going over the 'what if's' and 'if I had only's?'" Tifa was not trying to insinuate that Aerith is the memory. The memory does include Aerith, but doesn't focus on her alone. There's Zack, there's Nibelhiem, the moment when Tifa was slashed by Sephiroth.
Tifa is not a conniving b***h, and she doesn't try to be one either. She doesn't guilt trip Cloud into doing a lot of what he does in the game. She reminds him of what's going on around him, and of the things he still isn't looking too closely at in life: those around him who love and cherish him as friend and family.
Sounds like a damn good friend to me.
In addition, the last bit about Tifa lying to Cloud about his past. She's using COMMON SENSE, people. She's not trying to be selfish. For those who find that difficult to understand, try walking two moons in her shoes.
If a person you knew of suddenly came up to you and started saying things that obviously didn't happen about a major event in their life, but from the way they are speaking of it you know that they probably think their own lies are true, what would you do? Smacking them upside the head won't do any good, and if you took into consideration how fragile Cloud's psyche was at the time, Tifa NOT telling him the truth right then and there was a good thing, because that'd leave him even MORE messed up than he already was. Tifa knew something was up, as seen by her reactions during the flashback. She played along with what Cloud had described in the Kalm Inn to the others because if she hadn't, Cloud would know something was up with her, and then the s**t would hit the fan and then Cloud would have a lovely mental breakdown at the beginning of the game. That's not what Avalanche needed at that time. They needed a strong leader.
I myself hate lying, but in cases like with Cloud, it becomes necessary, but only for a little while. When Cloud learned the truth, he did not blame Tifa for anything, which was right of him not too. She was rather confused herself, but not in the same sense or degree that Cloud himself was. Cloud may be rather dense at times, but he probably isn't so dense as of to not realize what would have happened if Tifa had told him the truth earlier.
Therefore, Tifa did the right thing, in her case. Not the best thing, no, but it was better than what she could have done.
So much for the "ZOMG EVIL TIFA!" argument. razz
Whether you find her character annoying because of her personality is your own personal preference, since people will like and dislike certain kinds of personalities. Tifa is a very nice person, and would likely be easy to get along with in real life, were she real. However, I'll leave that bit to the individual persons and tackle another matter: Aerith!
Most of what was said in Tifa's part with regards to the 'slut' issue can definitely carry over to Aerith.
Ah, Aerith Gainsborough, or Aeris, if you prefer. Mysterious, beautiful, and just simply enchanting. She's 'different' from other people, and at times seems to just know something is going to happen. The last of the Cetra, wanted for experimentation by the Shinra Corporation. Although she is basically your weakest fighter, she packs a mean spell or two, and has a sharp tongue to match. She's got just about as much sugar as she does spice. It's all sunshine and daisies if your'e on her good side, but if you mess with those she cares about, watch it, she bites. She's not afraid to stand up for what she believes in, and does her best to protect all those around her, whether she knows them or not.
However, like Tifa, she is not perfect. Although she has the best intentions at heart, sometimes her words come off the wrong way, and in turn anger someone instead of soothe them. She's rather strong willed, and once she's made up her mind, there's no stopping her.
Then again, that's probably what also adds to her appeal. razz
So, the most common, non-romantic reasons for disliking Aerith... Um, let me think a moment...
'The b***h! She's such a slut, with such a low neckline, showing off her boobies! And the dress isn't even buttoned all the way up!'
Again, we have a slut argument here, but the size of her boobs thankfully don't come into play. Rather, it's the way she displays them, or actually doesn't display them but people call it that anyways.
Despite Tifa having the bigger chest, it's Aerith who actually shows more, with a considerably lower neckline. You don't even really see the crease of Tifa's boobs with the shirt she wears. razz
Again, basically take what I said about Tifa and her way of dress, and apply it to Aerith's costume. It's all the same, in the end.
As for how her dress isn't buttoned up all the way... You DO realize that if she doesn't leave it open up to that point that she won't even be able to run? That'd be an annoying setback to Cloud and the others for when they travel on foot, which is... a lot, to say in the least. sweatdrop
'Oh, I hate her! She's such a goody-two shoes! Always so PERFECT and HAPPY. DIE b***h DIE!'
Um, not quite. Despite being rather good, sweet, gentle and kind, she does have some bite to back her up. In the original Japanese version, her form of speech is usually really effeminate and girly. However, if someone pissed her off in the game, she'd immediately switch to a punk-male type of speech pattern. She doesn't have to swear to beat you down verbally. razz
That, and she's not perfect. Despite being a half-Cetra, she doesn't act any different than a normal person, being able to talk to the planet and dead people aside. She has her faults, her moments of insecurity. She's lied a couple of times in the game, recieved dubious consent to get Cloud into a dress (much to our amusement, of course), caused ungodly amounts of stress and worry for those she loves with her (usually selfless) actions, and gets annoyed with the others every now and then. She's still human, you know.
'Aerith keeps haunting Cloud, making him more emo by the minute. She needs to LEAVE HIM ALONE! DIE ALREADY, DAMMIT!!!'
First off, she's already dead. sweatdrop As for Aerith haunting him, that's a total lie. It's CLOUD who keeps dwelling on the past, her death included, that brings her into Cloud's mind. Aerith's just floating around somewhere in the Promised Land, doing what Ancients do when they go there: rolling around in the Lifestream. xd
'SHE'S A FREAKING MARY-SUE!!!'
In a sense, she is, but she's a helluva lot better than the ones you see in fanfiction, GUARANTEED. It's not the Sue that counts, but rather how they're written. If you can't realize that, then maybe you need to take a breather from the fandom.
'She's always being stupid, leaving herself out in the open so that s**t can happen to her. Yet even so, she still expects Cloud to save her. WTF!?'
Yeah, Aerith is indeed rather out in the open, but guess what? Shinra must be just as stupid for not just storming her house when she was a child (because they definitely knew she was there) and stealing her away. Hojo did it when she was only twenty two days old, but apparently Shinra won't do it when she's older... I wonder why?
Well, it seems that they aren't really that stupid. They know where she is and all, but Aerith is evasive. Yeah, she sells flowers in the open, but she doesn't have a floral boutique set up in a building somewhere. The girl moves around. That, and she's not selling the flowers 24/7. She won't stay in one spot standing out like that when people are out to get her.
That, and her flowers aren't always one gil. Only the nice folks get it for one gil. Nastier ones like the ones working at the Honey Bee Inn get one for five hundred gil, if you recall. xd If you consider how many nasty people like that must be living in Midgar and how many of them must have purchased a flower from Aerith, you'd realize that she doesn't need to be out long to earn enough for a while. razz A shrewd business woman, indeed.
Assuming how long the Shinra have known where she's lived, I'd say she's gotten rather good at evading them. Otherwise she'd have been in their clutches much earlier on. Aerith gets Cloud to be her bodyguard because she knows that eventually, something's going to happen and she'll be unable to get herself out of it.
She was only caught in that one time in the game by Reno because it was an exchange for Marlene's safety as the Sector Seven Plate was about to collapse. Whether you or anyone else think that's stupid is your business, but I find it admirable. razz Why have a little girl die and get caught if you can have her live while you're safely held away in captivity? It's not like they were going to leave Aerith under the plate as it fell. She just wanted to make sure that Marlene was safe too.
In fact, that's probably the only time Cloud really has to do anything to save her, the first time you meet her put aside. We all know what happened the last time he tried to 'save' her, and she didn't need saving then. She knew what was going to happen and dealt with it gracefully.
So, what of the romance? Well, here's what I believe...
Cloud's asexual. That, or he just doesn't have the time, or is not personally interested in pursuing a romantic relationship with anybody. It doesn't mean that he can't have one, but it's just that he isn't in one, and likely won't be in one anytime soon. xd You can pair Cloud up with whoever you want, but he never really ends up with anybody, EVER. What you get in the game is whoever YOU, the player, wanted to end up with. Cloud himself didn't decide on that matter.
Just because Tifa and Cloud are living together doesn't mean that they're having a relationship, but that doesn't mean they aren't romantically involved. Just because Cloud mourns Aerith's death doesn't mean he thought of her as more than a friend, but it doesn't mean he didn't love her that way either.
You get what I'm saying now?
You can say Tifa or Aerith get with Cloud in the end, or that Cloud loved one over the other, but there's no HARD EVIDENCE provided by anything, not even the game itself, that implies that Cloud loves them.
You know why this is so?
It's because Cloud loves his motorbike, Fenrir, that's why.
You can use anything in the game as proof to support a pairing with ANY CHARACTER, but just as easily, someone else can find something logical to counter that idea.
If anybody wants me to go deeper into the subject, I'd be more than happy to. biggrin Well that's interesting but you must count the fact that SE has already stated that Could and Tifa are and were the intended couple and there is proof for this in the AC reunion files and in The creators own words.
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:24 am
Aeris is a cutie but if I'd rather either of the two it would be Tifa because she can at least make herself useful, instead of stopping to smell the roses she knows how to kick butt and Aeris is afraid to tap an egg with her bow staff, but I will say she was being very forceful when she said "I'll rip em off" cheese_whine rofl
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:28 pm
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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:47 pm
These are the reasons I dislike Tifa....now, I respect people's opinions, so I'm definitely not arguing with anybody. I just felt like listing these reasons for the sake of listing them.
1. She leaves a child in charge of a bar that is located in Midgar slums. ....What the hell?! And that's bad on Barret's part, too. Marlene could have been mugged or raped, and this shows that both Tifa and Barret are very irresponsible. (BTW, Barret admits to his irresponsibility, and I like him, so he gets away with it on my part.)
2. When Aeris came with Cloud to save Tifa from Don Corneo, Tifa is rude to both of them. I know, I know, Tifa didn't know it was Cloud in that disguise, but really, she could have simply asked if it was him or not. I think this shows Tifa's need to be the center of attention, especially infront of Cloud. And I know I wouldn't be awful to someone who's come to help me!
3. She's a very boring and dull character, and people usually like her only for her looks. She never really does anything eventful, either. I don't really know about this one, seeing as how I got this one from a friend. Mostly AVALANCHE focuses on Barret and Cloud rather than her. There's the slapping match with Scarlet, that was amusing, but other than that I don't think Tifa had much contribution. (If she did, Nomura did a lousy job of showing it).
4. Her overall presence just irks me. I'm not bashing her for her chest, now, but it just seems stereotypical to have a female lead like that. Garnet wasn't the prettiest either, but her character was amazing. So I guess I don't have enough support for this either. If I do, I can't think of it right now, so sue me.
5. She makes herself out to be Cloud's best childhood friend, but she wasn't really friends with him until all the other boys were gone from Nibelhiem. She and her friends were never nice to Cloud when he really needed friends. This shows that Tifa is dillusional.
6. Okay, Beat Rush is really all she has going for her. Even the game guide said that Tifa's combos are what makes her a good fighter. And what the hell do dolphins have to do with Tifa?! I mean, her hair does look like the tail fin of a fish at the end of it..but..
7. Her attire of clothing. Rikku pulls it off. Tifa doesn't. Again, I'm not blaming anyone for this, especially not Tifa, but....I just never found her clothing to be that, er, modest (like Rinoa's or Garnet's).
8. The love triangle. In the game, when you pick the answers that WON'T make Tifa like you (such as giving the flower to Marlene instead of Tifa), why doesn't she protest? When you give Marlene the flower, all she says is, "She's just shy." Come on!! If you're truly in love with someone, let them know how you feel, even if it may seem immature. Tifa didn't once yell at him, or cry, or sulk when you answer negatively to her. Also, if you take her to the Golden Saucer and you DO pick the "Tifa likes you more" answers, she doesn't look happy about it either. She's indifferent no matter who you pick....Tifa or Aeris. I know Tifa is a very shy character around Cloud, but most female leads don't hide their feelings that long. She just seemed like a child to me.
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