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 Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:26 pm
that's great... and what about the other billion childern without homes? or the fact that girl may not even want to give birth to the child in question.
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:34 am
what's the relevancy of the former part of your post? you might have misread the quote. it's essentially saying instead of being a total asshat, be productive about the situation. acting that way outside of abortion clinics doesn't solve the problem. and for those who view the fetus as having status as a human being the second part of your post is nonsensical. it would be analogous to saying "it's too difficult to start living with my boyfriend so i'll kill him."
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:42 pm
i like burnination what's the relevancy of the former part of your post? you might have misread the quote. it's essentially saying instead of being a total asshat, be productive about the situation. acting that way outside of abortion clinics doesn't solve the problem. and for those who view the fetus as having status as a human being the second part of your post is nonsensical. it would be analogous to saying "it's too difficult to start living with my boyfriend so i'll kill him." False analogy. A boyfriend is already born, and therefore has legal rights. Those who believe fetuses should have legal rights are SOL because they don't, and therefore "killing" the fetus would not be murder. i like burnination Christians, instead of spewing hate at the women who are going into abortion clinics, should instead offer to take their child I agree wholeheartedly. But even then other variables come in to play. Abortion's not only about not wanting to keep a child... but it also involves not wanting to carry nor give birth to one. Taralanthalasa you know, reading this topic again brings up sooo many things that are happening right. I have a cousin... who should have gotten an abortion. She's lazy, careless, and is immature for a soon-to-be 20 year old. She doesn't have a job because she can't keep the ones she gets cause she's too slow(ie fast food) and people don't wanna work with her. she's living in an apartment with one of my friends, who is her boyfriend... well, I guess they're engaged soo... yeah *sigh* They haven't even been together a year yet, she's about 4 months in now and he makes about $11 an hour. he can barely aford suporting just the two of them, let alone a baby too. And lets just say... she'll be the type of person who's like "can you change/feed/play with the baby. it's driving me nuts!" or she'll leave it on the floor or in the cribe pretty much the intire day because she won't want to deal with it. ...That's horrible. Though if she chooses to birth it, that's really up to her. No one else can tell her what to do with it. If she's neglectful of her child, social services can be called in. I just hope she seriously commits herself to being a mother... If she doesn't, then that baby's going to have a damn hard life.
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 8:36 pm
Quote: and was strongly influenced by her crazy church. Would you prefer I remarked on the Irony of this, or leave it to Pirate and Jazz? What about me? sad
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:05 am
Quote: Those who believe fetuses should have legal rights are SOL because they don't, and therefore "killing" the fetus would not be murder. i never responded to this, and knowing that your account is deleted, i'll reply anyway. your statement is akin to me saying "you're not female because you're not, therefore secksing you would in fact be gay on my part".
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:51 pm
i like burnination Quote: Those who believe fetuses should have legal rights are SOL because they don't, and therefore "killing" the fetus would not be murder. i never responded to this, and knowing that your account is deleted, i'll reply anyway. Deleted? Hah, no no no... I've never had it deleted, my dear boy. I've simply abandoned it due to a happy illusion of friendship being shattered in a most rude manner that left me and my medical depression got the better of my ego, slowly eating away at it. Recent outrage in regards to Cali Prop 8 however, has restored it. I'll be quite the dyke by tomorrow once I chop off my hair. i like burnination your statement is akin to me saying "you're not female because you're not, therefore secksing you would in fact be gay on my part". Bad analogy, but a bad claim on my part as well. I'll concede that. Here's why I can't support allowing a fetus its rights: It depends solely on the life and well-being of another to sustain itself. The person supporting this lifeform is not a volunteer, and there are no other alternatives as of yet for this fetus to support itself. That being said... I will oppose abortion to the death if someone can come up with fetus-preserving tubes, that a woman needn't pay an unreasonable price to resort to. Until then, it, with its eyes, fingers, beating heart, and ligaments... is about the same thing as a tumor.
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:09 am
Quote: The person supporting this lifeform is not a volunteer well most of the time, i hope they would be. or do you not mean volunteer as in "willing to support", but rather having control over the supporting of the "lifeform"? how far does that line of thought go? one could argue, although not entirely seriously, that a baby outside of the mother's womb still can't sustain itself, and depends on the well-being of another. Quote: is about the same thing as a tumor. though a tumor isn't human and never can be.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:22 pm
i like burnination Quote: The person supporting this lifeform is not a volunteer well most of the time, i hope they would be. or do you not mean volunteer as in "willing to support", but rather having control over the supporting of the "lifeform"? how far does that line of thought go? one could argue, although not entirely seriously, that a baby outside of the mother's womb still can't sustain itself, and depends on the well-being of another. Certainly, but I'd assume those people would then be paid to do so, or would be actual volunteers--perhaps the very pro-lifers that so vehemently believe that they ought to have the right to life. As far as conception is concerned, those who get abortions more often than not are people who have had intercourse willingly, but not for the intent of conception. I think that if that happens to be a consequence of the intercourse, they should be allowed the right to rid of that consequence in a sterile and professional environment. Much better than infanticide or endangering themselves with coat hangers and stairs and what have you. i like burnination Quote: is about the same thing as a tumor. though a tumor isn't human and never can be. And a fetus is not considered to have human rights until birth, or in some cases, late term pregnancy. I'd consider them a cross between a tumor and a human, at best. razz
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