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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:43 pm


Arakimos
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yet scientist can not agree on what it is some say liquid some say solid others believe it is a psuedo solid XD


...and I say they're wasting their time...
Why the ******** does anyone care? I mean, sure we have no cure for cancer, but that's no reason to attempt to find one, right? Instead we should all sit around worrying about whether or not glass (a creation of man) is solid or liquid (two states of matter, of which the underlying definitions reside only within the mind and writings of man/womankind).

...however, though it doesn't have a solid crystaline form (as you implicated in an earlier post) liquids are not known to break when they strike a solid... and thus, glass must also be solid...

...also, liquids aren't usually known to be able to carry other liquids... If you really wanna get technical about it...

While you have some interesting points, it's a pseudo solid (like Jello). Over time a vertical pane of glass will get thicker at the bottom and thinner at the top, which shows that it is flowing, albeit at an extremely slow rate.

Liquids carry other liquids all the time, it's a matter of the make-up of the liquid. Think oil on water. The water will hold the oil on top of it all day long if you leve it there. I can't remember exactly what liquids will float on top of that but you can have liquids holding liquids holding liquids til your blue in the face.

The fact that it doesn't have a solid crystalline structure should be reason enough to dispute the claim that it is solid.
Dictionary.com

glass Pronunciation Key (gls)
n.

1. Any of a large class of materials with highly variable mechanical and optical properties that solidify from the molten state without crystallization, are typically made by silicates fusing with boric oxide, aluminum oxide, or phosphorus pentoxide, are generally hard, brittle, and transparent or translucent, and are considered to be supercooled liquids rather than true solids.

That kinda says it right there.



ICE is a supercooled liquid... and also a solid... everyone would agree to that...

...and did you know that if you left a cube of gold on top of a cube of lead, they would eventually mix? yet those two are clearly solids as well...

...at least, that is what my science teacher told me...

Also, if you want to get definitive about it, then you might as well check out what

the definition of solid

one of the three commonly recognized states in which matter occurs, i.e., that state, as distinguished from liquid and gas, in which a substance has both a definite shape and a definite volume. Solids resemble liquids in having a definite volume, but differ from both liquids and gases in having a definite shape. The molecules of a solid, like those of a liquid, are very close together, but whereas the molecules of a liquid are free to move around, those of a solid have less thermal energy and are held fixed in their places by intermolecular forces. Their only movement is a vibration about a fixed position. A solid changes to a liquid when its temperature is raised to its melting point. A definite quantity of heat (called the heat of fusion) is needed to change each gram of the substance from solid to liquid. Some substances change directly from solid to gas without passing through the liquid state (see sublimation), but most change from solid to liquid before becoming gaseous. Solids are of various types. Metals, their alloys, some nonmetals, and ionic chemical compounds are crystalline in form. Some solids, e.g., chalk and clay, have no regular structure and are called amorphous. Substances such as pitch and resin are called semisolids; these are actually very viscid liquids, but their flow or change of shape is so slow at ordinary temperatures as to be scarcely discernible by the human eye (see viscosity). Properties in which solids differ from one another include density, hardness, malleability, ductility, elasticity, brittleness, and tensile strength.


Notice they use substances such as pitch and resin as examples for semisolids... again the main difference between those two and glass is that glass stil breaks.

It seems like glass would be more like chalk and clay in this argument, considering the statement about them not having a definite structure... therefore glass would be amorphous, yet still solid.

EDIT:
Also, glass is NOT like jello... just so you know
i believe it is a psuedo solid but it doesnt really matter just wanted to make an odd discussion topic
PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:19 am


I don't really care so I don't need to get all technical about it- but I'd say it is a solid.

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