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 Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 12:37 pm
alignment is meaningless in D&D unless the DM really enforces since everyone just does what they want and are Chaotic Nuteral in alignment- i think in any RP it is just better to Role play how you see fit not with an enforced alignment makes more complex characters
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Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 3:07 pm
I always liked the alignment system, but in creating my new character I found a snag. My character is a druid who believes that everything must balance perfectly in nature, including himself. This means that he will occasionally kick a puppy if he needs to, but he's not going to go torch a village without making a new one. I don't know what to call that, especially when twice a year he goes to one extreme. Then there are the friends he has "hangin' out" in his head....
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Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 3:44 pm
While I do also notcied that many players tend towards abandonning alignement and going CN, when they do play the part and roleplay it well alignement can be a very nice addition the camapign. I tend to keep it and reward players who play their character well. For instance the cleric of pelor who is devoted and argues for not killing the recently captured drow is going to be treated by npcs much better thna the cleric of pelor who sells off drow into slave labour wheather or not the npc has any indication of the vent himself.
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Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 7:23 pm
Entropic_Angel alignment is meaningless in D&D unless the DM really enforces since everyone just does what they want and are Chaotic Nuteral in alignment- i think in any RP it is just better to Role play how you see fit not with an enforced alignment makes more complex characters It sounds to me that you just play with people who aren't good at roleplaying the alignments. That doesn't make alignment meaningless in D&D, just in the campaigns you've been in. It's not the alignment's fault though in that case, it is the players. I know I have a player who's characters are always lacking in personality. They do pretty much the same things, and therefore they don't really have an alignment either. If you can't roleplay well, you'll probably end up unable to play most of the alignments.
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 10:10 am
I myself am not fond of it. Like I can put down lawful and such for my half orc barb. Then I go out and rape or kill some one and they call that "Unlawful" Well crap. Where ever my barb is from. Maybe in their eyes thats not unlawful. Whats evil in some one elses eyes can be good in yours or some one elses.
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 10:24 am
lawful means you follow a set of laws, but they don't have to be societies. That's why you don't just pick "lawful", you follow it with good, neutral, or evil. And some things are just universally "evil", and just because in your eyes it's not "Evil" doesn't make it any less evil. Evil people are not necessarily aware that they're evil. To them what they're doing could make sense. But when a character is driven by evil actions, they are evil, whether they realize it or not.
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 10:38 am
Twiztid_Spawn I myself am not fond of it. Like I can put down lawful and such for my half orc barb. Then I go out and rape or kill some one and they call that "Unlawful" Well crap. Where ever my barb is from. Maybe in their eyes thats not unlawful. Whats evil in some one elses eyes can be good in yours or some one elses. Your barbarian is Chaotic Evil, by your description of his society it has CE leaders and LN peasants who get raped and killed... You have to pick the right alignment. Even if you were to say he WAS a lawful alignment (Lawful Evil leaders like to overtax, not kill) he would still be evil, and he would slowly go towards NE as the campaign progressed.
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 11:01 am
BloodOnWhitePetals Twiztid_Spawn I myself am not fond of it. Like I can put down lawful and such for my half orc barb. Then I go out and rape or kill some one and they call that "Unlawful" Well crap. Where ever my barb is from. Maybe in their eyes thats not unlawful. Whats evil in some one elses eyes can be good in yours or some one elses. Your barbarian is Chaotic Evil, by your description of his society it has CE leaders and LN peasants who get raped and killed... You have to pick the right alignment. Even if you were to say he WAS a lawful alignment (Lawful Evil leaders like to overtax, not kill) he would still be evil, and he would slowly go towards NE as the campaign progressed. Eh, A lawful evil leader may still kill. But since he tends to use law to protect himself from others, he's probably more likely to get his underlings to do it.
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 7:28 pm
Twiztid_Spawn I myself am not fond of it. Like I can put down lawful and such for my half orc barb. Then I go out and rape or kill some one and they call that "Unlawful" Well crap. Where ever my barb is from. Maybe in their eyes thats not unlawful. Whats evil in some one elses eyes can be good in yours or some one elses. The law student in me comes out here, Certain acts are evil just because they are not because anyone says they are, murder and rape are the best examples of this, even if its good in some societys eyes they are obviously wrong, and act such as rape is always going to be evil.
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 10:22 am
Johnmichael Twiztid_Spawn I myself am not fond of it. Like I can put down lawful and such for my half orc barb. Then I go out and rape or kill some one and they call that "Unlawful" Well crap. Where ever my barb is from. Maybe in their eyes thats not unlawful. Whats evil in some one elses eyes can be good in yours or some one elses. The law student in me comes out here, Certain acts are evil just because they are not because anyone says they are, murder and rape are the best examples of this, even if its good in some societys eyes they are obviously wrong, and act such as rape is always going to be evil. Dude its all on how you grow up and crap. Like look at terroists like osama and such. In our eyes what he does is evil. In his eyes. He is doing it for the good of god.
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 5:32 pm
That's a nice arguement, but it doesn't hold up in reality. That's the same as saying Adolf Hitler wasn't evil because the German people at the time saw what he was doing as good.
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 4:34 pm
Fact 1: D&D alignment is black and white
Fact 2: It is a LOOSE guideline
Evil is Evil, Good is Good.
You can have a character who thinks they are good, they are still mechanically evil. PERIOD There is no variation, no grey, thats the only way D&D alignment works.
Its a simple system with simple rules, guidelines.
Alignment is not concrete, it is flexible. Alignment represents your characters most likely actions.
A lawful evil person who funds and orphanage does not become good, they may have ulterior motives, they may be kicking puppies on the side.
Its their most common behavior and how prevalent said behavior is. Thats how alignment works in D&D and it works quite well IMO razz
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:07 am
whenever i DM i allow players to be whatever alignment the campaign allows then i judge thier alignments by using an align system based of Neverwinter nights where they have a certain points which increase or decrease depending on thier align and actions, which pretty much shows a slow transaction from good to evil and vice versa
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