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 Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 10:11 pm
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Deidara never developed anything except a bigger ego yet. If you are referring to how he acts towards Tobi, we don't know how he would have acted when exposed to someone with the same attitude that Tobi had, so we can only assume it's normal for Deidara. That statement you said sounded to me like you were bashing him for not creating a good personality in a short amount of time, which is near impossible for most characters.
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Remember when he was little? Remember how his parents fell to his feet like the puppets they were? Mmmhm. Sasori was too young and oblivious to accomplish such a feat at the time. Think back to Shippuden 10, and how Chiyo claimed that Kakashi killed her son, and how we found out that it was actually Sakumo Hatake? We can assume her son to be Sasori's dad, since we don't know of any other relations between Chiyo and her children. So Sasori infact did not kill his parents, rather, Kakashi's father killed one, and the other, we have no clue about as of yet.
You can also obtain puppets by making them, not necessarily killing them. Did we hear Sasori talk about killing any of the puppets he obtained except Sandaime Kazekage? No.
Okay, thanks for clarifying "joy killer" to me, I thought it meant he ran around, killing people wantonly. And do you think that Sasori maybe wants to keep up appearances in Akatsuki, and act his part, unlike Deidara and Tobi, who are foolish, and make a mockery of the evil organization?
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Arguments, m'dear. He argues with Deidara nonstop, and is fed-up with the blonde most of the time. How can you not consider that emotion?
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Read paragraph two. And if my parents were dead, and I couldn't trust my grandmother, I would stick with caring only of myself, too.
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This is a Sasori-haters thread, but I do still have a right to speak my mind, in whatever manner I choose. I was appalled by the rather blatant response to it that you put. Although I suppose I should have taken it with a grain of salt, being the Gemini that I am, I'm naturally argumentative, and felt I should critique your reasons for not liking him. Honestly, no matter how many books you can write about reasons for hating Sasori, I'm never going to believe them. He has a lovely character design, and I love him to death. Plus, the conflicting views between him and Deidara make a beautiful contrast, and push me towards slashing them together.
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:25 pm
My mom always tells me that my brother and I are exactly the same but opposite. And I am thinking, maybe thats Sasori and Deidara. I mean Dei-chan is talkative and Sasori isn't. Sasori doesn't have human parts (that I know of), and Deidara does. Deidara shows his emotion and Sasori doesn't. There 2 halves of the same coin. Their exactly the same but opposites. It's kinda hard to explain, but I promise I'm not tryin flame them.
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:00 pm
I see that too! o_o
I think that they complete each other. Deidara having what Sasori lacks, and vice versa. Sasori needs someone cheery like Deidara to help him come out of his shell, and Deidara needs someone like Sasori to help him come to the bitter conclusion that life isn't a piece of cake, and help him realize that being a smartass will get him nowhere.
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 2:03 pm
1. For starters, another example of a character that appeared for a short time but developed quite a character is Tobi. In the time he appeared (3 times of a total of about 10 pages*) we were able to figure out that he's sassy, has little respect towards his elders, is a coward, somewhat childish, he enjoys getting on people's nerves, he's full of himself, he likes to bloat, he's talkative, and he's lazy. Well... considering Kishimoto could make a character like Tobi already develop such characteristics, I think he'd be capable of doing so with Sasori, especially since Sasori had more manga time (would that be what you call it?*) then Tobi. Since he didn't, though, it must of been his intent to give Sasori such a blunt personality. And, on the lines of Deidara, he gained more then just a bigger ego. We see his emotions, partially because he brings it right out front. When Tobi held his arm, he frowned. When he finished the fight with Gaara, he was smug. When Kakashi blew off his arm, he was shocked. I don't think Sasori would act the same in any of those situations, considering what Kishimoto has displayed of him now. It's plain and simple, Sasori has no emotion. Since he shows no emotion, he has no personality (or at least not a very distinct one*). And, since he has no personality (or close enough*) he has no character, so isn't very well developed. And, as for bashing Kishimoto, a good writer can introduce a character, a better writer can develop the character in such a "short" amount of time. Did I even meantion Kishimoto in the last post? Whatever. Point here is, Kishimoto isn't God, so don't treat him like one. Not everything he does is perfect, and you're making it sound like it is.
2. Well, being part of Akatsuki, you usually kill people. Presuming that you can assume Chiyo-baa-sama had only one son, I can safely presume that Sasori killed some more people to make his puppets. During the fight with Sakura, he even meantions wanting to add them to his collection, so we can "assume" that he has sucessfully accomplished turning human bodies to puppets numerous times before. It's really not safe to go off such assumptions, so don't and I won't. We're going off of the manga, not personal beliefs. And, no, we didn't hear him obtain any puppets by killing people. But, seeing as he IS part of Akatsuki, he must have killed some people.
Precisely why he's a joy killer. He sucks the fun out of everything just to keep up the appearence of Akatsuki. What he needs to do is loosen up and stop putting up a front. I'm not saying he has to be as loose as Deidara or Tobi, but he could just be hisself (lame). Going back to my original statement, this is why I dislike Sasori. Because he IS a joy killer, for whatever reasons he may have, he is still a joy killer.
3. Arguing isn't an emotion. It's an action. Though you can put emotion into your arguments (like we are right now) Sasori didn't seem to put any. Being emotionless doesn't mean he doesn't have emotions, it just means he doesn't show them. And, as you've stated before, he puts up that emotionless act to keep the Akatsuki reputation up. biggrin
4. Considering that he was the one that put the death and untrustworthyness in his relatives, he'd have no reason to care for himself only. Such events are no excuse to be cold-hearted to the rest of the world. So, you accept that he has the I-could-really-care-less attitude? That's all I need. For whatever reasons he may have this attitude, he still has it, and so does Itachi. They also share the what-the-hell-am-I-doing-here face (joke, don't have to take it seriously*). He also points out the obvious with the whole "Your late, Deidara" thing. Itachi does the same when Sasuke attacks him with the Chidori. (He was all like, bluntly stating, "Hm... Chidori."*) They like to point out other's mistakes as Itachi does with Deidara in the newest chapter and as Sasori does with Deidara (D: They're all picking on Deidara! Big bullies!) and him being late thing....
yeah.
5. I know. And I'm perfectly fine with that, too. But, it's sort of like a Naruto-hater joining a Naruto Fan Club. Yes, you get to speak your mind, but for that matter, I do too. What a coincidence! Everybody has the same rights here! biggrin (or at least close enough)
Well, I'm a Virgo! Gemini's are supposedly my narutal (xD That's what happens when you type 'naruto' too much... well, it's supposed to be 'natural'*) enemy. : D As a Virgo I'm not much into arguing and bickering (just being laidback) but considering all I have to do is type this up, I guess I could argue. Also, just so you know, I feel strongly against Sasori because Virgo's hold "grudge-ish" things. So, I'm very stubborn and will be very unlikely to change my point of view. Well, that's enough of horoscopes, back to the argument.
Then it must be a good thing I don't write books (though I do write fanfiction, but there all oneshot. I never get past chapter 4 on long ones*). Even if I did write books, I probably wouldn't do it on hating Sasori (though I do feel like I'm writing one right now), and, besides, I'd have to go through all that copyright crap... ANYWAYS, unlike you, I hate Sasori's character design, and hate him to death.
gonk Oh no you didn't! Ugh... aah... no! Anything BUT SasoDei!!! That is by far the worst pairing in the world. Much prefer DeiTobi. If you want to hear my argument for this, you can hear it later. Right now, my fingers need some rest from typing so much, and would probably cause another huge argument.
sweatdrop Sorry about all the side comments. I couldn't help myself, so don't take the majority of them seriously (I starred all the ones that are literally, like this '*' Hope that helps! heart *)
EDIT: Hoah! Woah! That's a long post! And it's all about Sasori...
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 3:26 pm
(( I'm so odd. I just got shivers of pleasure up my spine when I saw the huge post~! whee I'm grinning like a maniac right now, I should take a picture of it ))
1. Tobi acts that way for a reason. That is how his base attitude is. It hasn't changed at all since. And because he is still alive, and active in the manga, you can't say that he has less or more manga time than Sasori (Well I call it that, other people can beg to differ for all I care) until he is either taken out, or killed off, the latter of the two I am hoping does not happen too soon, as I like Tobi alot. As for Deidara, for all we know, he hasn't been mentally scarred yet, so he is a normal kid with a full spectrum of emotion. Sasori has gone through, it looks like, a very tragic event that is decisive of his sanity. It's probably all gone now, and since I am sure he would like to play the part of a, as Deidara would put it, "cool Akatsuki member", (the phrase most likely descriptive of his Danna, I assume, since Deidara holds a great deal of respect and reverance for Sasori) he would not have an ounce of care for showing emotion, unless it was somehow brought out of him, by, possibly a kindred spirit like Deidara, or just a self-realization. It would take time, like I said. Much longer than he was shown in the manga.
And I don't remember ever bringing Kishimoto into this, so I was a little confused by your last statement. I do see him as god, because he provides us with such lovely characters, such as Deidara, Naruto, Sasori, Tobi, etc. He slaves over a pencil and a piece of paper to provide us with quality entertainment, so I am willing to kiss his a** as much as necessary.
2. This is true, but don't you think killing the Leader of your village should get you kicked out of the village? I think so. And what does Chiyo having only one son have anything to do with Sasori killing human puppets for his 'collection'? As for the statement about Sasori talking about using Sakura for his collection, you don't necessarily have to use their body. I imagine it would be a little hard to use their ugly, scarred, dead bodies, so he might have used that body as a model, combining it with memory, to create a wooden replica.
Sasori has every right to put up a front if he wants to. I'm not saying this is exactly what he is doing, but I sure as hell think that's what it is. Itachi and Kakuzu keep up appearances also. Akatsuki is not a fun organization. They're the villains, not cute little womanizer bishounen. They are dreaded, not loved. (But I love them crying )
3. I don't see it that way. I agree that arguing is an action, of course I do, but I also delved a little deeper into their (rather short) argument, and looked at it differently.
4. Once again, he never killed his relatives. They were already dead and puppetized when his young little eyes opened up. He doesn't have to trust a soul because of that traumatic event. Put yourself in his position. If your parents turned out to be wooden toys, what would you do? I would be emotionally scarred, and would stick to being a lone angstwolf. (Lmao @ that term) He does have that attitude, and I never meant to deny it, as I know it is the truth. They pick on their inferiors, because they are, infact, inferior. Deidara's rank is lower than Itachi's, in regard to how Leader-san sees the two.
5. I also never denied the fact you couldn't state your opinion, I'm just being a b***h, you know? I'm stubborn, as Taurus is in my first house. Wow, you're a Virgo? Amazing, you really are my natural enemy, there's no doubt. But I have no hatred for you whatsoever, infact, I look at you as more of a rival for whom I have a high reverence for as a fellow artist, contrary to what you may think. And yes, you must be a lazy fool, I would assume that on Naruto character tests, you would get Shikamaru alot, haha. I'm just as stubborn, and damn proud of it, too.
It's fine that you don't like Sasori, I have no problem with it, I just think that such a wonderful character who I love to death deserves to be stood up for when someone undermines them. >_o;;
NO! NOT A DAMN ARGUMENT ABOUT PAIRINGS. I won't hear of it! You and I would have nothing to back them up, honestly, for Deidara, Sasori, AND Tobi are not gay for all we know. (hmm, SasoTobiDei...? Hawt.) I like DeiTobi and SasoDei about the same, but I guess since I like Sasori a tad more than Tobi, SasoDei comes out ahead.. :/ And I don't mind the side comments, I am guilty of them too, as you can see.
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 4:08 pm
I'm a Scorpio and supposedly very in-tune with my "Sexual side" >_>
Which will come in handy on some occasions, but will do me no good at 13 D=
Scorpio::
Intense and powerful. Although you appear controlled and calm, you are emotional and energetic. Scorpios often have strong and penetrating eyes. They seem fun to be with socially, but some seem self-involved and withdrawn. You can recognize your special qualities and it requires self-control to prevent you from using them for bad reasons. In relationships, you can be passionate and overwhelming. You are also very sensitive and take almost every comment to heart. You discard friends when they start to bore you...
Homygod look::
*Your ruling planet: Pluto.
I like Pluto =O
*The scorpion is associated with Scorpio.
Saaaaasooooriii!!! <333
*Your lucky color: dark red or maroon.
My favorite color HomyGooood O______O
*Your lucky gemstone: opal.
my favorite qymstone homygod O____O
*Your lucky numbers : 2, 7, 9.
7 is my lucky number O_O
I get along well with Gemini =)
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 9:56 am
surprised You're the third Scorpio I know~! My other Scorpio is my best friend, it's true that Geminis and Scorpios get along well. And my cousin's a Scorpio. She's supernice. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 4:28 pm
Sorry I haven't responded yet! D: I haven't been finding much time with school and all. I'll try to responde this weekend... or sometime soon. XD
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 4:31 pm
Gah, don't bother, I'm done with this topic xd
I've absorbed your views into my brainmeats already. >3>
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 11:07 am
good. XP I'm really not ment to (or like to) argue so that's a breather for me. XD As long as you know why I don't like him!
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:40 pm
Zuka` Hopefully, besides- I'd think she'd have it planned out, no? Not sure, but that would be the best. No one knows for sure, hopefully she does include some sort of loving/romance in Akatsuki. Even just a little would satisfy me. Kishi's a dude.
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