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Based on the information provided, which would you choose for me?
  1. English [journalist, editor, professor, etc)
  2. Social Work
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Kalandra

PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 6:06 pm



Well, I browsed around and decided that my [pointless] thread is better suited for the main forum of the guild. I encourage relocation if it fits elsewhere.
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Well, I'm about two years from my B.A. and WHAM! I decided to switch majors. To most, I don't think this is that big of deal - especially considering I don't have the degree yet. However, it has taken me three years to get where I am because of my schedule. It seems like insanity to switch, and yet I am.
I find my problem is that I am interested, and thoroughly believe that I can succeed, in many different areas of study.
The passions:
1. I should maybe elaborate on the English degree. Originally, I majored in Communications with a minor in Journalism. You don't need a journalism degree to write for magazines and newspapers, and Communications is one of the largest departments in the last ten schools I have researched. I'm no longer interested in Communications as my focus. I've been a part of a 'real' newspaper staff before and loved every inch of my job. Ironically, I focused on social welfare, poverty, psychology and society in my articles (social work tone dinging through?). I was the editor of my high school newspaper and also write for my college paper. I am an English tutor and a literature fanatic. I read anything and everything I can get my grubby little hands on, obsess over symbolism and literary theory and avidly write about a broad range of subjects. Before I switched to Literature and Women's Studies, I already had over fifteen English credits under my belt. I love writing papers, researching topics, arguing the philosophies of authors like Stevenson, Shelley, Dumas, Milton, Melville, Hemmingway, Chaucer and Eliot. I sit on the edge of my seat during each lecture and tend to write five pages more than required on any paper requested of me. I have written memoirs, lengthy fictions, short stories, poems and plenty more. I've been blessed enough to have had quite a few smaller works published.
2. As some may have read months ago, I have a paranoid schizophrenic brother who hit rock bottom two years back. He was living in the forest that surrounded the city dump in a hole in the ground that he dug to survive in. He caught what he ate and got partial frostbite that winter. As if my personal experiences with the welfare programs in American society already hadn't interested me, bringing my brother back from the land beyond put me over the top. His story.. More info below, I suppose.
My first random question:
Who here is in college, and what degree(s) are you aiming for? How far are you, which school are you attending and which country are you in?

To those in college:
Have you ever switched majors, or been severely tempted to?
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Also, I love my current job. I have been working at the local Mental Health Authority for months now and I knew about three years ago that social work and psychology were two of four very large passions in my life. I get paid $10.75 per hour, my schedule works entirely around my hours, and I work one on one with my clients. I don't have to jump through the hoops of the corporate ladder to get the goals I set for my consumers approved. I work with mentally distressed or behaviorally challenged youths (13-22 years) in a community, home or office environment to bring them back into society as full-fledged, sufficent members of the economy. Empowerment is key.
I love it and consider myself very, very lucky to have the opportunity that I do. I struggled with minimum wage jobs (or jobs that paid by the column-inch for an article D=) to support myself and my daughter for nearly four years.

So:
Who has worked a job (past or currently) and just loved what they did? What was the job?

And:
Do you think it is possible to be completely in love with two very different areas of study? How would you go about choosing the route that is best for you? Keep in mind, I would happily work the rest of my life with both an English and a Social Work degree, so it isn't a matter of 'which one I can see myself doing for the rest of my life.'


Kal is just looking for a bit of guidance and conversation. I had a great day at work today and days like these just make me smile - you know, before making me question my education goals.

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 6:29 pm


My favorite all time job was working a bookstore/library. I have an obsession with the written word. I made $10/hour at my job and I loved it. The only reason I left was because my dad was military and we were being transferred.

Its definently possible to be in love to two very different areas of study. Before and after I enrolled in college I contemplated so many areas of study I wanted to get degrees in, the onyl reason I didn't was finances and I didn't wnat to be in school that long.

I deliberated between International Affair w/ a minor in Japanese and Sociological Anthropology w/ a minor in Ancient History and Computer Communications w/ a minor in Graphic Design and Communications with a double major in Journalism and Creative Writing.

But again with finances being an issue, as well as transportation, I ended up choosing my least favorite out of ALL of them even though I enjoy it.

My philosophy when it comes to careers is regardless of anything else you need to enjoy what you're doing. Because if you don't, it really doesn't matter what you do or how much you make, you'll still end up hating it.

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Kalandra

PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 7:51 pm



Mm, anthropology was definitely fun. Your choices of majors are wonderful. Which one, if you don't mind my asking, was your least favorite / long term choice?

And you see, that has always been my philosophy as well. But like I said, it isn't a matter of which will make me happy - both would. Ultimately, I feel I need to do something that involves writing (which, if nothing else, can be achieved with a M.A. in English). But then again, if I went into Social Work I could try to work in public/human relations somewhere and do pamphlets, advertising, press releases, so on and so forth. But I'm not sure I would want that direction if involved in social work because I prefer to have an actual impact. >_<.

I'm such an indecisive b*****d. I'll probably stick with English and target lit, women and gender studies and creative writing (which is a given at the university I am transferring to next winter).
PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 12:33 pm


I have a BA in English and Spanish. I would have triple majored (another BA getting seperate degrees is difficult especially if one is the BFA) if the art program at my college had supported my field. Instead I took the Basic Drawing, Composition, Figure drawing 1,2 and 3, and Illustration and called it a day.

The thing is the economy is bleak, the bachelor's is basically the new standard for employment. Highschool grads are being outright out of hand rejected and then a bachelor's degree will JUST get you consideration. Back in the day a degree actually pretty much gauranteed you employment at a higher level. An office job, a CEO track, etc. Thanks to "buy your degree!" programs like Redmond and Bryman and even to a lesser extent, Nova, Axia and Phoenix onlines where "You can get your degree in HALF THE TIME!!!" Everyone and their brother has a College degree and it's just the basic level of education everyone is looking for in their employees.

IT, Nursing, Dental, Vet Tech. The commercials say you can get jobs still and they're lying to you. The fields are overfilled with people who underskilled.

You are lucky that you are currently in a position that will help you in the future for your social work because "Work experience" is TRUE wonderful currency.

If you do not plan to at least accquire the MA your BA in English will not get you editing jobs or journalism jobs any faster. Unless you know someone in the business you will have to start fetching coffee just like everyone else did and prove you can do the work.

I mean I'm a CRLA certifiec master tutor in English and Spanish, I won a state wide Spanish language poetry contest, was routinely published in our school lit and art mag and got a 4.0 in both of my majors and graduated c** Laude. I was one of only TWO sophomores who got accepted into Sigma Tau Delta (English honors) and was English student of the year my senior year.

I applied to every single editing, journalism, etc. job under the sun and didn't even get called back. Reason being I'd never worked in the field. And my degree meant I could take a test and read a book but not that I had the chops to work in the field.

Yes, I sound a little bitter. A lot of my friends are bitter. Promised they would have the "million dollar difference" and to be honest, I do know I have a better chance at getting and KEEPING even a lower level job than your highschool graduates, but it's not what the big promise of higher education is.

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Kalandra

PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 7:11 pm


First of all, I would like to thank you for taking the time to respond. Secondly, I am glad you pointed that out. I can't even fathom how many times I have had this same discussion. An associate degree is hardly equivalent to a high school diploma and a bachelors just skims the basic requirement of the lowliest jobs on the market for a specific field. What I really know, however, is that the college you go to is weighed heavier than the college you attend - so while online programs and 'universities' are great, you won't get the job you apply for if someone from a better college applies at the same time. Within two years, I will be working on my grad program at the University of Michigan. <3
I actually plan on receiving my doctorate in English, assuming I keep it as my major. Though realistically, I believe that I will. As for connections, I have them everywhere, which is one reason why narrowing my field is so difficult. I've worked at television stations, newspapers, colleges and mental health facilities. I'm in more clubs and organizations than I can handle most of the time. I am also Phi Theta Kappa (honors society), Summa Cume Laude and also a professional senior English tutor.
Luckily my journalist job a few years back secured many relationships for my future. If I were to go into social work, I would only bother with an M.A.
The only thing I am worried about is which direction I will be most satisfied with, which only I can decide, despite how much I b***h and moan about it. ;___;

I know that I have been blessed with my opportunities and that countless English majors (amongst others!) struggle to hit jobs in their field. The fact that undergraduate degrees are so 'worthless' in today's society is devastating. For families who have had to live on assistance and grind their asses to the bone to make rent and still afford food, graduate programs can simply be too expensive - not to mention, some end up with a world of debt from achieving that relatively useless degree in the first place.

Higher education is a double edged sword. Many of us go into it optimistic and idealistic, aiming to do nothing but better ourselves and perhaps secure a future - but that 'investment' could end up ruining even more then it intends to improve if things don't work out. Our competitive and vastly lacking economy is definitely a "survival of the fittest" environment. However, sometimes the "fittest" just happen to get lucky.

PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:29 pm


The three groups of people that declare bankruptcy in the US most often are in order "Recently Divorced, Recent college graduates, and Recently out of the military."

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Kalandra

PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:49 pm



Oh, how sadly aware I am. My wages are being garnished, my debt is so high. I receive the Pell grant, so my school is paid for almost entirely - but of course being in college means working less hours. Working less hours means I am less able to pay for my daughter's rising medical bills. Working at all means I lost all of my assistance and my rent skyrocketed, due to living in government subsidized housing.

The battle to ensure a better future, better myself and better my family stands stagnant when I have to declare bankruptcy before age 22, which I will hit next month. Enjoyable, no?

I think I may be becoming bitter, as the two previous paragraphs are so negative. I apologize for that rant.

What do you hope to accomplish with your English degree, Nope?
PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 9:18 pm


I'm going to get my Professional Teaching Certification for the State of Washington (it's about a years worth of courses) and teach K-8.

I want to support the public school system because I think it's valuable and viable and important to our nation and to democracy and to just about everything we think is good and decent.

Currently white middle class students have a 60 percent highschool drop out rate.

Can you imagine what the statistics are for underprivledged minority students?

Public schools are in a crisis because of school grading tied to funding and teaching to test. I'd like to be a more effective help if I can. I want to teach English in the way people learn to speak. Red marks don't teach writing they teach shame.

lol

My husband I declared bankruptcy whoo...over a year ago now.

1 in 4 families declares chapter 11 or 13 bankruptcy in the US. While it is more dificult now to get credit I'm sorta glad for that, I need to never have another damned credit card as long as I live. BUT we still recieve TONS of car offers and credit card offers granted with higher APR. But right now we're PERFECT candidates for a loan because we cannot redeclare for another six years. Further it is illegal when making decisions about housing, like whether you can rent an apartment, to deny application because of bankruptcy (I learned that managing an apartment complex).

Also it was a huge relief because it got rid of the credit/other debt and now we are focusing on paying off/consolidating our loan burden and stopped the phone calls which do border on harrassment (consequently if I get a teaching job in a "depressed area" which is sadly a lot of public schools now a days they'll slowly waive away my responsibility to pay back my loans.)

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 2:01 pm


Kalandra

Mm, anthropology was definitely fun. Your choices of majors are wonderful. Which one, if you don't mind my asking, was your least favorite / long term choice?

And you see, that has always been my philosophy as well. But like I said, it isn't a matter of which will make me happy - both would. Ultimately, I feel I need to do something that involves writing (which, if nothing else, can be achieved with a M.A. in English). But then again, if I went into Social Work I could try to work in public/human relations somewhere and do pamphlets, advertising, press releases, so on and so forth. But I'm not sure I would want that direction if involved in social work because I prefer to have an actual impact. >_<.

I'm such an indecisive b*****d. I'll probably stick with English and target lit, women and gender studies and creative writing (which is a given at the university I am transferring to next winter).


My least favorite choice was Graphic Design. And honestly I suspect I won't be able to do much with my degree. Not that I'm terribly worried about it. My dream job is to be a stay at home mom and a part time author. I've got a better chance at being an author than a graphic designer. But I'll have a degree behind me and I can design my own book covers and such.

But whether or not my degree program is my preferred choice, in my mind, at least I chose to go to college and to obtain a degree.

Nopen has a wonderful point when it comes to how people judge how high or low your degree is, having an AS or BA is just skimming the basics. But with your job experience you have a foot in the door most people would kill for.

I think you'll do great in whatever you choose, Kalandra. You've got a passion for both.
PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:12 am


Kalandra


Have you ever switched majors, or been severely tempted to?


And:
Do you think it is possible to be completely in love with two very different areas of study? How would you go about choosing the route that is best for you? Keep in mind, I would happily work the rest of my life with both an English and a Social Work degree, so it isn't a matter of 'which one I can see myself doing for the rest of my life.'

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Hiya! Gracious I changed my majors so many times I can't even REMEMBER what I started out as. It is a function of attending part time - while persevering toward the degree our lives evolve and so do we.

I love my final major. Sociology. I am at heart a sociologist, long before I ever knew what it was. I have a BA... in other words, I am unemployed. Some majors require grad degrees to find work.

I love my previous major. Economics. I read the stuff on-line for my own fun. no kidding.

Kiddos complicate it all so much. If you are really interested in both topics, go with your first major - finish it as fast as you can! When you're done you can attack a second major. I sympathise about your bro. Remember you can use the English degree to write about issues close to your heart, so that the greater community can increase their understanding of mental illnesses.

Whatever you decide, good luck! and let us know!

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:22 am


Kalandra

2.



So:
Who has worked a job (past or currently) and just loved what they did? What was the job?


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I gave up a well paying job in Chicago for a VISTA (think peace corp but ya stay in the States) position in rural Nevada. The bestest everest part was developing and implementing a youth work program. I got lots of employers to participate so that the HS kids would have varying work experiences, I scheduled weekly field trips to dream jobs and hell jobs, and also had workshops where people came and talked about their jobs. It was a very successful program and I wish that I could repeat it full-time. The HS students were mostly wonderful - full of questions and excitement and openness and dreams - how beautiful is that? If I could get a grad degree I'd happily be a HS guidance counselor forever. How lucky are we when we find our life's work to be fulfilling! heart
PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:48 pm


Kalandra


My first random question:
Who here is in college, and what degree(s) are you aiming for? How far are you, which school are you attending and which country are you in?

To those in college:
Have you ever switched majors, or been severely tempted to?
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I just finished my first year of my BA , major psychology, sociology minor. I live/go to school in Canada but I'm going on an exchange to Finland for my second year. I think my year abroad will still be cheaper than a year of school in America ($15,000 tuition!? is this normal?)

I have thought of changing my major/minor (alot ) but I don't know what I want to change it to, so, I have come to the conclusion that I am open to the idea of a change if I find something that I enjoy more than psych or soc.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:32 am


kscarebear
($15,000 tuition!? is this normal?)


....that's fairly cheap considering your program. sweatdrop
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