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 Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 11:58 am
Hi guys. I'm not a member so I hope it's ok to post a thread. I have a couple of quick sketches I did today, and I know they pretty much suck but still, I want to improve.  My av, only fat XD  Kate Moss, drawn from a photo. In biro.
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 2:43 pm
Well, it looks like you've got a problem which is very common to beginners: You seem to be starting with the details.
I'd recommend that you work on the ideas of underdrawing; that is, starting with basic shapes to asure your proportion and pose are correct and then adding details on top afterwards.
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Dr. Valentine Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 3:08 pm
Try to avoid drawing stuff like the first picture, and spend more time with stuff like the second. You'll learn a lot.
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 3:37 pm
i think you're off to a good start. the best thing one can do is to draw and draw a lot if you want to get better. maybe doing some studies with the body and practicing drawing the shapes instead of drawing contours. it's good to block out the figure before going in and filling out the details, because then you can get the sense of motion as well as having it look less stiff. it'll help with your confidence with your lines, since they're pretty scratchy right now, it's good to use as few lines as possible to get the motion through. right now your drawings look flat, and part of that is drawing the contours/outline and not what the shapes actually are. and because of it, everything is sitting on the same plane, like for your second drawing; the arm is facing front just like her torso and her head. to make things more natural means to put things in angles, even if it's not exactly the same as the photo you were using as reference. like the head could be a little more on the 3/4 side, and having the torso twist a bit so she's not totally all front. her hips could also be twisted a bit to counterbalance everything, and that makes for a nice pose/gesture. and if the torso would be twisted, it'd create perspective with the shoulders because then they wouldn't be sitting on the same plane...one would be more in the background while the other would be in the foreground, which would make it look interesting. few examples - sable helpthis one is good for like general stuff. there are some good notes in there, like the part about poses looking more dynamic when they're brought out of the 2D plane. makes things interesting and more natural because it doesn't feel like she's being constrained to a straight line- pepper samuraihere's one that's roughly in a similar pose in reference to the shoulders. having them not aligned makes it look more natural. again, back to the 2D plane thing.- pepper christmasanother kinda sorta similar pose. this one is pretty good for a cleaned up sketch. the lines are fluid, and don't break up like the scratchy lines. here it shows that the artist was drawing from shapes and not from contours/outlines because there are overlaps and breaks. he didn't draw the outline and then put in the detail. for me that was the hardest aspect to grasp when i was learning back in college...drawing the form instead of drawing the outline of it.
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 3:12 am
Dr. Valentine Well, it looks like you've got a problem which is very common to beginners: You seem to be starting with the details. I'd recommend that you work on the ideas of underdrawing; that is, starting with basic shapes to asure your proportion and pose are correct and then adding details on top afterwards. Yeah, I guess that's true. The problem is, when I start drawing I always think it doesn't look like much, and it's completely wrong so I add in details to make it look more human. Would it help if I used those body form mannikin type things from ikea? I don't know what they're called but I have two. @ Chax::~ What do you mean? @ spork::~ Thank you very much. Yeah, my lines are really scratchy. I've tried to draw with smoother, less broken looking lines but it always looks kind of blank, 2D and unfinished. Thank you very much for the examples, they're really helpful.
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 4:30 am
Spanny Dr. Valentine Well, it looks like you've got a problem which is very common to beginners: You seem to be starting with the details. I'd recommend that you work on the ideas of underdrawing; that is, starting with basic shapes to asure your proportion and pose are correct and then adding details on top afterwards. Yeah, I guess that's true. The problem is, when I start drawing I always think it doesn't look like much, and it's completely wrong so I add in details to make it look more human. Would it help if I used those body form mannikin type things from ikea? I don't know what they're called but I have two. @ Chax::~ What do you mean? @ spork::~ Thank you very much. Yeah, my lines are really scratchy. I've tried to draw with smoother, less broken looking lines but it always looks kind of blank, 2D and unfinished. Thank you very much for the examples, they're really helpful. I think she means, that although anime is esay to draw, and you might even like it, it will get you NOWHERE with art. You have to be a Television for your anime to be noticed. Also: Drawing life type stuff teaches you a lot more then chibi stuff ever will.
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 9:08 am
Re: You have to be a Television for your anime to be noticed.
Lol, that was worded so weirdly. XD
You might find this Physics for artists: center of mass article interesting. Not that you'd actually go disect your art like how nothings does for those photographs. XP But it's still an interesting read.
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 11:21 am
THIS NAME IS NOT SMART Spanny Dr. Valentine Well, it looks like you've got a problem which is very common to beginners: You seem to be starting with the details. I'd recommend that you work on the ideas of underdrawing; that is, starting with basic shapes to asure your proportion and pose are correct and then adding details on top afterwards. Yeah, I guess that's true. The problem is, when I start drawing I always think it doesn't look like much, and it's completely wrong so I add in details to make it look more human. Would it help if I used those body form mannikin type things from ikea? I don't know what they're called but I have two. @ Chax::~ What do you mean? @ spork::~ Thank you very much. Yeah, my lines are really scratchy. I've tried to draw with smoother, less broken looking lines but it always looks kind of blank, 2D and unfinished. Thank you very much for the examples, they're really helpful. I think she means, that although anime is esay to draw, and you might even like it, it will get you NOWHERE with art. You have to be a Television for your anime to be noticed. Also: Drawing life type stuff teaches you a lot more then chibi stuff ever will. Yeah, true true. I mostly draw from photos because if I draw without a reference it just looks unrealistic and messier. Also I have no clue what I'm doing. And kheleksul, I know, I lol'd at the television thing for some reason XD I will read that as soon as I have time, I skimmed through it and it looks really interesting [if complicated XD].
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