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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:04 pm
Right after the one-on-one battle between Pahn and Teo, you're sent to bed and Leknaat pops up. That's when you first get the information on the Clan of the Gate, and her and Windy. Well...she said that Windy was seeking out the Soul Eater so she could take revenge. ...Who is she going to take revenge on? I think the Clan of the Gate was killed off, right, but if they were, wouldn't the people who did the killing be long dead? Did they also have a True Rune? Is that even why she wants revenge? (Though Windy's not one to talk about revenge because of the massacre of a village. Look at what she did to Ted's and then the Lycanthrope village!)
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:49 pm
The people she wants revenge on are the kingdom of Harmonia from Suikoden 3 and her attacking Ted's village is just ironic (her wanting to get revenge on a group of people leads her to doing the exact same thing)
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:41 pm
Harmonia's been around for...400 years, right? Something like that. Harmonia did it? (Or maybe just Hikusaak?) Hmm. I want more Suiko history...
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:22 pm
well there are alot of site covering this suikosource.com amoung them but to sum it up for around 1000 years the kingdom of holy harmonia has existed created by hitsuuk wielder of the circle rune he wanted all of the runes but he could only possess one rune at a time so he hunted down runes which aparently where often hidden in villiages killed all the people and took the rune he later discovered that using the circle rune he could make clones of himself and he did so and fused the true runes with luc and sasari well one of the villiages harmonia destroyed was the gate villiage and there where only two survivors leknatt who became an insanly powerful sorrceress and windy who swore revenge against harmonia and began resorting to there tactics
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:42 pm
Oh, wow, Hikusaak was an a**.
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:45 am
Quote: Oh, wow, Hikusaak was an a**. Hey! Don't insult Hikusaak! scream Just because you don't know the -real- intention behind him wanting to collect all the True Runes doesn't mean you have to slam him. One thing that Jasae didn't mention that the Gate Rune was split into two- Windy possessing the front portion and Leknaat the back. Other than that, that's generally all there is to be known about Windy and Leknaat's past.
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 9:42 am
Sprx117 The people she wants revenge on are the kingdom of Harmonia from Suikoden 3 and her attacking Ted's village is just ironic (her wanting to get revenge on a group of people leads her to doing the exact same thing) I think Windy attacked Ted's village because she wanted to take the Soul Eater for her revenge. That means she also wanted Leknaat's other half of the Gate Rune but Leknaat was gaurded by pwwerful spells. Hikusaak is a power hungry leader. He probably was trying to gather the 27 True Runes to rule over the universe or maybe even destroy it. But in my opinion, I think that it can never happen. After all, the Runes choose who their master is.
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:23 am
Quote: After all, the Runes choose who their master is Not really true, this statement. Maybe in the beginning, they were allowed to choose their own bearers (as in after the Suiko universe was formed after the battle between the Sword and Shield), but considering that we've been seeing the True Runes being transferred from person to person for the past few games, that makes the statement false. For example, we've seen Ted transferring the Soul Eater to Tir, Neclord transferring the Blue Moon Rune to Sierra, and of course, Wyatt transferring the True Water Rune to Chris (I'm referring to the manga, as I have yet to play the game and get a sense of what actually happened during that scene). So, in short, it doesn't matter who possesses the Rune. In the end, the person who gets the True Rune is whom the RUNE BEARER chooses, not the True Rune itself. If your statement was true, can we safely say that the True Wind Rune and True Earth Rune had 'chosen' Luc and Sasarai earlier on? This contradicts with the fact that Hikusaak has said- and you yourself have said as well- that the reason of the creation of the clones (in this case, we're using Luc and Sasarai and examples) was to house the clones. The TWR and TER never had any complaints. Furthermore, considering the fact that Luc was able to take the True Earth Rune from Sasarai, would that also mean that the True Rune went 'willingly' with him? If the True Rune were to choose its own bearer (and let's have the assumption that Sasarai is the chosen bearer), wouldn't it have remained with Sasarai? The same hypothesis also applies in Suikoden 1 when Ted was 'controlled' by Windy and told to take the Soul Eater from Tir. Did the Soul Eater refuse? It didn't. So, in conclusion, the True Runes DON'T choose their bearers. It's their bearers who will make that choice of who they want to pass their True Runes on to. ...Okay....that was a long post... sweatdrop P.S.: Please don't take any offense in what I've posted. I'm merely arguing out a fact here, not trying to start a flame war. Much apologies if I offended anyone. surprised
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:09 pm
Dynast Metallium Quote: After all, the Runes choose who their master is Not really true, this statement. Maybe in the beginning, they were allowed to choose their own bearers (as in after the Suiko universe was formed after the battle between the Sword and Shield), but considering that we've been seeing the True Runes being transferred from person to person for the past few games, that makes the statement false. For example, we've seen Ted transferring the Soul Eater to Tir, Neclord transferring the Blue Moon Rune to Sierra, and of course, Wyatt transferring the True Water Rune to Chris (I'm referring to the manga, as I have yet to play the game and get a sense of what actually happened during that scene). So, in short, it doesn't matter who possesses the Rune. In the end, the person who gets the True Rune is whom the RUNE BEARER chooses, not the True Rune itself. If your statement was true, can we safely say that the True Wind Rune and True Earth Rune had 'chosen' Luc and Sasarai earlier on? This contradicts with the fact that Hikusaak has said- and you yourself have said as well- that the reason of the creation of the clones (in this case, we're using Luc and Sasarai and examples) was to house the clones. The TWR and TER never had any complaints. Furthermore, considering the fact that Luc was able to take the True Earth Rune from Sasarai, would that also mean that the True Rune went 'willingly' with him? If the True Rune were to choose its own bearer (and let's have the assumption that Sasarai is the chosen bearer), wouldn't it have remained with Sasarai? The same hypothesis also applies in Suikoden 1 when Ted was 'controlled' by Windy and told to take the Soul Eater from Tir. Did the Soul Eater refuse? It didn't. So, in conclusion, the True Runes DON'T choose their bearers. It's their bearers who will make that choice of who they want to pass their True Runes on to. ...Okay....that was a long post... sweatdrop P.S.: Please don't take any offense in what I've posted. I'm merely arguing out a fact here, not trying to start a flame war. Much apologies if I offended anyone. surprised That is true.
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:31 am
It's not exactly true, actually.
Though it can be said that the rune bearers are the ones who control where the runes go, the True Runes themselves do seem to hold an influence over events.
In the 5th Suikoden 3 manga, Sarah says, "I wouldn't have thought the rune would accept such a young boy," in regards to Hugo and the True Fire Rune. They must have some sort of say in whether or not they want to accept someone as a rune bearer, then.
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:24 am
Quote: In the 5th Suikoden 3 manga, Sarah says, "I wouldn't have thought the rune would accept such a young boy," in regards to Hugo and the True Fire Rune Your point is a valid one, but there's just one problem with it: We have no idea how old Hugo is. In fact, we have no idea how old the Suiko heroes are when they received their Rune. Can we safely say that Hugo was younger than both Tir or Riou when he received his Rune? Sure, if we look at it just from the view of Suiko III, it doesn't seem probable, but if compared to the fact that the ages have -not- been revealed for both Tir and Riou, this point isn't so baseless after all. If Hugo is the same age as Riou and Tir, wouldn't that prove the point wrong, as it shows that the Runes DO choose people of that age group. It -could- I emphasise on the word COULD, be that Sera was wrong about that, as Hugo does look a little on the childish side. There is absolutely nothing the proves that she knew anything about Hugo's true age. Of course, that point could easily be used against me if it turned out that Hugo is indeed younger than Tir/Riou, but if it's just a matter of a few years, then, well- that point isn't valid either. But you get my drift. Quote: the True Runes themselves do seem to hold an influence over events. I have done a little research about this statement, and something just occurred to me- if you're using Hugo as an example, then surely you must be aware of the fact that the Rune only resided in the staff of the Flame Champion after his death. Wouldn't it be logical for the Rune to claim a new bearer, despite the age of its new bearer? Or can it be said that the Flame Champion's spirit still 'exists' to watch over the Rune to ensure that it gets a bearer that is worthy of its power? Ya know, I kinda like this topic. The guild is sorely lacking in good discussions, and it's refreshing to get into some debates once in a while. biggrin
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