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Dark~Halcyon

PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:26 pm


.a.r.a.s.h.i.
x.X.Innocent Passion.X.x
.a.r.a.s.h.i.
I have a question:

I have been fighting with my parents for a long time now. I really want to stop fighting but it's hard not to. Does naybody have any suggestions for what I can do?

People fight with their parents all the time, but i fyou really want to stop, just try to understand the situation from their point of view, or try to sit down and talk to them about not wanting to fight so much.


Yeah but when I fighgt I'm screaming delirious mad. >_> >_>


nyaaar hee this reminds me of what happened to me a year ago..

I was also fighting with my parents a lot and such, and all that. Couldn't stand them, was so annoyed with them and we'd fight and they'd yell and so would I, etc.

And so, a year back, before they went to college elsewhere, I had these two young teachers who I love with all my heart. One of them, I remember, I told him about it.. and then he told me, in this very fragile way, something like.. well, his parents had died, and he told me "Yeah I know what you mean.. but you know, when they're gone, you just totally keep remembering all the things they said to you and you said to them, and all the fighting totally isn't worth it in the end.." He said something along those lines, and it totally quieted my heart.

After that, I took that feeling to heart and the fighting stopped.

Sure, fighting started again sometimes, but then I would remember what he said, the feeling he conveyed, and I would eventually calm down.





Well, even then, parents are hard-headed xD Don't try discussing or arguing with them BOTH together.. do it when they're alone without help, and especially with the more open-minded one > biggrin . And sometimes, it's something we don't wanna accept but it's true: Parents will almost never listen. So like.. just kind of don't say anythin if they decide to act up.

And as the Prophet (s) said, something like.. when you're angry and standing, sit down. when you're sitting and angry, lie down. when you're lying down and you're angry, go do Wudu.

Woodoo power o_o
PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:20 pm


CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]
muslim_khadijah
salaamu alykum every one...hi again....

another question...im am planing to become and High school art teacher...is that haram to be art teacher? or either that or psychology? are either of those haram in any way? please like a reply soon....thank every one bye bye


I don't see how it could be haraam.

Unless you draw humans or animals, then it's haraam because it's like you're making these creatures but only Allah can put life into them, not you or any other human.

Otherwise, I'm sure it's okay.


D i n a
.a.r.a.s.h.i.
Is drawing people harram? o_O A lto of people have different views on this... I draw people a lot. sad I just want to know what everyone else thinks.

Drawing anything relating to Human figure or Animal figure, such as an eye from a Human or a tail from an Animal, is Haram. Because only Allah can put these things into shape. Now when it comes to hanging up or displaying these things on a table or a wall, it is Haram because it's kinda like worshipping it.

Only Allah can put these things to life, and the reason why it is forbidden leads to why we made Geometric and Floral art as well as Calligraphy. We Muslims made our own Art to suit Islam without breaking a rule.


I know I'm kind of late to the conversation, but I felt I had to add to it... sweatdrop
@Dina and captain plixy(heh, or anyone else who feels the same way): I'd like to know what makes you think that drawing living things would be haram? The purpose of drawing them is not for worship or anything like that, but is only a model of the beauty we see in them, or for entertainment...

Brammimond
Hadith explains it best: prohpet SAW said:all artist will go to hell,and while there allah will tell them to bring they're art to life but they will be unable too:another version surprised n the day of judgement all artists will be gathered and allah will tell them to bring to life they're figures but will be unable to (agreed upon). smile


I think it's important for something like this to refer back to the original arabic version, cause I fear the meaning behind 'artist' may have been lost... I can understand if this was directed to 'artists' that belong to groups that paint figures and worship them, since that's no different than idol-worshipping, but I'm afraid I can't see how this applies to artists who paint for fun. In fact, I would think that painting is a form of worship if your purpose is admiring God's creations...


Only God know best though, and may he guide us all to the truth...

KuwaitBoy


CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]

PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:29 pm


My parents have always told me that it's haraam to draw humans because when you die, Allah will ask you to put life into them and you obviously can't, only Allah can.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:43 pm


CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]
My parents have always told me that it's haraam to draw humans because when you die, Allah will ask you to put life into them and you obviously can't, only Allah can.


But where's the proof/reasoning behind that (more emphasis on the proof though)?
It's good that you're eager to keep from doing something haram, but be sure that you aren't forbidding things that shouldn't be haram out of fear.
Now, I'm not necessarily saying that drawing isn't haram, for the sole purpose that I don't consider myself a sheikh (not that a sheikh's word is final anyway), but I am saying that I haven't seen any proof to support it, and as we know, the nature of all things are halal.

KuwaitBoy


Dark~Halcyon

PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:02 am


KuwaitBoy
CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]
My parents have always told me that it's haraam to draw humans because when you die, Allah will ask you to put life into them and you obviously can't, only Allah can.


But where's the proof/reasoning behind that (more emphasis on the proof though)?
It's good that you're eager to keep from doing something haram, but be sure that you aren't forbidding things that shouldn't be haram out of fear.
Now, I'm not necessarily saying that drawing isn't haram, for the sole purpose that I don't consider myself a sheikh (not that a sheikh's word is final anyway), but I am saying that I haven't seen any proof to support it, and as we know, the nature of all things are halal.
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Sayyiduna Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) forbade the keeping of pictures at home and making them." (Sunan Tirmidhi, no: 1749)

Sayyiduna Abu Talha (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: "Angels (of mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture." (Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 5609)

“Among those most sternly punished on the Day of Judgment are picture-makers.” [Related by Bukhari and Muslim; a rigorously authenticated (sahih) hadith, without doubt]


These are the proofs that point toward it as haraam.

But, then again, every hadith and Quran verse was sent as guidance to a certain problem. For instance, picture-making could be just referring to idol-making, or forms of it. These hadiths could be directed to the prevention of idolatry exclusively.

Most Imams and Sheikhs have said that it is haraam.. Imam Malik, being the odd one out, actually ruled only 3-D pieces of art as haraam, probably hinting also at the interpretation that the disallowing of picturemaking is only to prevent idolmaking.

So.. does that mean that drawings that are nice to look at are not allowed? For every thing that is haraam, there is a reason.. I can't exactly decide why art would be haraam. Every time I draw and such, I do it with the utmost humility.. I always keep it in my head that I'm not creating life, I'm not creating or anything, but simply doing something that clears my head. I don't feel that, by drawing, I am trying to imitate Allah, since I know by far that I could never create what he has.

And, whenever I feel like I'm doing something that may be haraam, I can feel it. With art, I don't. Many times, when I feel like my head is filled with abstract imagery and static, drawing things out and then looking at them helps me realize what's wrong or what I'm thinking. It's expression, and oftentimes, the humans and animals I draw do not symbolize life or creation at all, but only a concept.

Intention is a big part in deciding whether what you have done is a sin or not.. my intention was to express, not to create. Am I sinning?

That's the way I see it so far, and I have yet to see someone comment on the difference between expressing and creating.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:37 pm


Dark~Halcyon
KuwaitBoy
CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]
My parents have always told me that it's haraam to draw humans because when you die, Allah will ask you to put life into them and you obviously can't, only Allah can.


But where's the proof/reasoning behind that (more emphasis on the proof though)?
It's good that you're eager to keep from doing something haram, but be sure that you aren't forbidding things that shouldn't be haram out of fear.
Now, I'm not necessarily saying that drawing isn't haram, for the sole purpose that I don't consider myself a sheikh (not that a sheikh's word is final anyway), but I am saying that I haven't seen any proof to support it, and as we know, the nature of all things are halal.
'
Quote:

Sayyiduna Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) forbade the keeping of pictures at home and making them." (Sunan Tirmidhi, no: 1749)

Sayyiduna Abu Talha (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: "Angels (of mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture." (Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 5609)

“Among those most sternly punished on the Day of Judgment are picture-makers.” [Related by Bukhari and Muslim; a rigorously authenticated (sahih) hadith, without doubt]


These are the proofs that point toward it as haraam.

But, then again, every hadith and Quran verse was sent as guidance to a certain problem. For instance, picture-making could be just referring to idol-making, or forms of it. These hadiths could be directed to the prevention of idolatry exclusively.

Most Imams and Sheikhs have said that it is haraam.. Imam Malik, being the odd one out, actually ruled only 3-D pieces of art as haraam, probably hinting also at the interpretation that the disallowing of picturemaking is only to prevent idolmaking.

So.. does that mean that drawings that are nice to look at are not allowed? For every thing that is haraam, there is a reason.. I can't exactly decide why art would be haraam. Every time I draw and such, I do it with the utmost humility.. I always keep it in my head that I'm not creating life, I'm not creating or anything, but simply doing something that clears my head. I don't feel that, by drawing, I am trying to imitate Allah, since I know by far that I could never create what he has.

And, whenever I feel like I'm doing something that may be haraam, I can feel it. With art, I don't. Many times, when I feel like my head is filled with abstract imagery and static, drawing things out and then looking at them helps me realize what's wrong or what I'm thinking. It's expression, and oftentimes, the humans and animals I draw do not symbolize life or creation at all, but only a concept.

Intention is a big part in deciding whether what you have done is a sin or not.. my intention was to express, not to create. Am I sinning?

That's the way I see it so far, and I have yet to see someone comment on the difference between expressing and creating.


I agree with you on every point smile

Although I'm still interested in seeing the reasoning of the other viewpoint.. does anyone here believe that drawing is haram?

KuwaitBoy


.a.r.a.s.h.i.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:28 pm


What about coloring? o_O
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:41 am


.a.r.a.s.h.i.
What about coloring? o_O


I don't see anything wrong with that... if that is what you were asking of course...

KuwaitBoy

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