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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:28 pm
I'm putting this here because this way i don't have to deal with Insane X-men fanboys and girls.
I've read one thing by Chuck Austen, his Pain of the Gods story arc in JLA. I loved it. The Flash issue is pretty much the only Flash story I've ever enjoyed. So can someone PLEASE explain to me what this man did that was SOOO horrible he can't get work anymore.
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:49 am
I liked a lot of what Austen did, but when it came down to it, he just pissed off everyone, in my eyes. Everyone being us. I try not to bring it up anymore, since I have been dismantled and destroyed multiple times for Austen-like, but since YOU brought it up, I am free to mention it.
I collected his whole Uncanny X-Men run, plus a little past that. While there were some pretty bad things he did, I liked pretty much everything he did. I liked his Exiles, I liked his Ultimate Gambit, etc.
The problem I had with his JLA story was that it had no purpose. After two or three years of Epic stories - Obsideon Age, Fernus the Burning, etc. - we comes to five hashed out stories that have been dealt with before. I was disappointed. I only bought the Superman one, hence it being first, and could stand the rest. But even through all that, I didn't think he was horrible, or the worst ever, or anything. I just hated the turn from the epic story-telling that had been happening earlier.
In my opinion, the only reason there is so much Austen hate is because he pushed the envelope. Now, I'll give you, the whole "Nightcrawler is only a priest so he can assend to the Pope and then be exposed as a mutant" was pretty dumb. But I liked Draco, and the Trials of Juggernaut (I am ready for the hatred spread to me AND for the Skrull-She-Hulk alibi) and pretty much everything else.
I DO hate the editorial happening in Marvel that is making EVERYTHING that happened in Austen and Morrisson runs get retconned away. But that's a different thread.
I've said my peace, bring on the highly literate flaming.
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Doctor Harleen Quinzell Crew
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:21 pm
A large part of it was his arrogance and air of superiority during the whole shitstorm and how alot of people in the the industry, Joe Quesada most notably, closed ranks around him.
The Draco was s**t and it ******** alot of things up that it shouldn't have. He started out by defenestrating the established continuity around Nightcrawler's faith with a poorly constructed conspiracy that was quite obviously the means to the end of destroying his faith. But why stop there, why not take it one step further and make Nightcrawler exactly what he's been accused of for his whole life. Making Nightcrawler the son of the devil was just ******** stupid, and making angels and demons subspecies of mutants was even dumber. The only cosmology I've ever seen that was more inept was in Constantine. Shall I add dragging Mystique even further through the mud to the list, or the fact that Austen tried to ******** up Vaughn's ongoing? Nightcrawler's complete origin has never needed to be told, and it's just a stinging slap in the face that Chris Claremont's vastly superior version of events was rejected in favor of this tripe, ostensibly because it would once and for all validate and confirm the nature of the relationship between Destiny and Mystique. Some relationships work better when they're ambiguous (I don't think I need to say what I'm hinting at), but I really can't see any valid reasoning for pussyfooting around this one.
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:49 am
There was a lot I didn't like about Austen. I did hate the Draco, yes. And I wish he'd never even realized that anyone named Guthrie existed in the first place, as he did nothing but ******** up that family. Aside from that, there were a lot of his ideas I didn't like. I don't like Angel having healing blood. I don't like the "mutants can't get AIDS" thing. I hated that he killed off Angelo, and I'd really like to know how a group of priests were able to subdue and crucify Jubilee AND Magma. I did like that he got rid of Angel's blue skin. I hated his Jono.
What else...Oh, yes. The Polaris thing had potential, and I like some of it, but I feel that it largely failed. I never found a single thing about Annie that made me care about her. I can stand the good Cain bit, and I feel that the interaction between Cain and Northstar was wonderful at points. His Alpha Flight appearances annoyed me, though. I'm indifferent to Nocturne entirely.
My biggest problem with Austen, however, stems from the Iceman/Northstar dynamic. Those of you who know me from the CD know how defensive I get about portrayals of homosexuality. I can't stand when it's done horribly. And Austen couldn't write a decent queer if he had a c**k halfway up his a**. His Northstar was nothing short of offensive, his Frat-tastic Bobby had potential to work as a symbol except that it was completely out of character.
Austen brought in characters he had no business writing for plots that didn't need them. Alpha Flight, Northstar, Jono, Paige and Jubilee especially. This in combination with his completely offensive Northstar turned me off his run.
Also, the art sucked more often than not, and the combination of his writing and the art just made for a bad book.
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Aidan Glissane Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:38 pm
So Minor league stories, bad x-men writing, what sound liek a ******** of a Nightcrawler tale, adn a Rob Liefeld attitude. Okay I can see why he's be ostercized.
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:21 am
Ziegfried So Minor league stories, bad x-men writing, what sound liek a ******** of a Nightcrawler tale, adn a Rob Liefeld attitude. Okay I can see why he's be ostercized. Also fire detectors.
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Doctor Harleen Quinzell Crew
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:17 pm
Doctor Harleen Quinzell Ziegfried So Minor league stories, bad x-men writing, what sound liek a ******** of a Nightcrawler tale, adn a Rob Liefeld attitude. Okay I can see why he's be ostercized. Also fire detectors.i LIKED that issue clown girl. wink
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